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Author Topic:   Free will vs Omniscience
NosyNed
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Message 110 of 1406 (763068)
07-20-2015 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Phat
07-20-2015 11:25 AM


** FOREknowledge**
You seem to be missing the point, Phat. It is the knowing in advance that is the issue. If God knows (not guessing, not wondering but knows )what is going to happen then the "someone" has no choice.

If he/she had a choice then God wouldn't know.


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NosyNed
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Message 112 of 1406 (763071)
07-20-2015 11:43 AM
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07-20-2015 11:37 AM


Re: ** FOREknowledge**
What if GOD knew your choice at the precise moment that you made your choice? What if the communion was not a before or after communion but rather a moment-in-time communion? Your decision...made by you...known at the same moment by God...

Does that make any sense?

Sure, that makes sense, but then God is not omniscient in the way most people think. And you are saying he is just like you and me, he knows it when it happens.


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Message 1385 of 1406 (883331)
11-29-2020 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1383 by Phat
11-27-2020 9:48 AM


Paying for it
AOC has talked of a green new deal. Question is, who in the heck is expected to pay for this practical idea? Greta Thurnberg? Essentially it eliminates the road to getting wealthy. We are all stuck together as a mass of workers against the wealthy rather than aspiring to become comfortable ourselves.

Pay? Have a look at Australia. The states with the hightest use of "green" have the lowest electricity costs. Going green can pay you.

Pay? Would you rather pay the trillions of cost when Florida goes under? Do you like having air that kills? Green is a cheap price.

Pay? I have an electric car now. Expensive up front but that is changing fast. It's better to drive and, if I live long enough, cheaper to run so again green doesn't have to cost it can pay.

Just why on earth do you think going green "eliminates the road to getting wealthy"? It's made Musk the 2nd richest man in the world and investing in "green" made me more than the cost of the car.

Please explain and check your facts.

The reason Trump's "beautiful coal" plan failed utterly isn't because green cost anything to replace it but because green (and gas for now) is cheaper and pays you. Now gas is, in the right locations, being replaced by green because green is so much cheaper.

Pay? How about just taking the billions (trillions) paid to the fossil fuel giants and using that? Green and no extra cost.


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