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Author Topic:   Free will vs Omniscience
Asgara
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Message 33 of 1406 (372847)
12-29-2006 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by anastasia
12-29-2006 8:22 PM


Just because God knew what he would do before hand doesn't mean he had no choice.

Does this God know what these actions will be before you are born?

Is this God the sole creator of life?


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Asgara
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Message 38 of 1406 (372862)
12-29-2006 9:48 PM
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12-29-2006 9:33 PM


So, if this God created you knowing the final outcome...how can you truly have free will?

You are simply acting out the script that was written for you.


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Asgara
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Message 42 of 1406 (372878)
12-29-2006 10:46 PM
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12-29-2006 10:36 PM


Re: Puppets or Prodegies?
no one said that he activates your mind or moves your lips

Does he or does he not already have your life scripted out before he creates you? If he doesn't then he doesn't know what will happen.


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Asgara
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Message 44 of 1406 (372892)
12-29-2006 11:43 PM
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12-29-2006 11:37 PM


Re: Puppets or Prodegies?
I don't see how that makes a difference....

If it is all "now" to god then it still is an issue of creating knowing what is happening...now or future doesn't matter.


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Asgara
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Message 46 of 1406 (372905)
12-30-2006 12:33 AM
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12-30-2006 12:06 AM


Re: Puppets or Prodegies?
I never said anything about his choosing any outcome either.

If you are created with the eventual outcome known by your creator then how can you have free will. You will do what you are scripted to do, what is already known you will do.


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Asgara
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Message 49 of 1406 (372911)
12-30-2006 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Rob
12-30-2006 12:38 AM


Re: Puppets or Prodegies?
But it is not in the Bible or any of the creeds.

First off you assume that people haven't read Lewis. Second, it is "merely" an apologetic. Something pulled out of a hat in an attempt to explain a conundrum.

Nice to think of, but no basis except in your mind. If you can make things up to explain what you can't find an explanation for then just say so.


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Asgara
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Message 90 of 1406 (762843)
07-16-2015 2:27 PM
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07-16-2015 12:41 PM


Re: Puppets or Prodegies?
Thanks for replying to a nine year old post...sheesh

In your view does he or doesn't he know your outcome before he creates you?


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Asgara
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Message 504 of 1406 (786890)
06-28-2016 10:57 PM
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06-28-2016 10:44 PM


Re: Riddle me this and Google me that!
Try reading your last sentence again.

Seems to me your only evidence comes from other fallible and imperfect humans.


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Asgara
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Message 541 of 1406 (795143)
12-06-2016 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 540 by Phat
12-06-2016 6:57 PM


Re: Foreknowledge and Free Will
If this god creates KNOWING the choice then that is what is evil. Creating a creature that you KNOW will be damned is what is wrong.

If this god does not know the outcome then people have to quit using the term omniscient concerning this god.


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Asgara
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Message 545 of 1406 (795147)
12-06-2016 7:52 PM
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12-06-2016 7:35 PM


Re: Foreknowledge and Free Will
What does your 'preferred definition' of him have to do with this? Either he is omniscient or he is not. You tell me which. I don't want dictionary definitions, I don't want word salad. It is a simple question.... is the god you worship omniscient or not?

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