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Author Topic:   Free will vs Omniscience
Juvenissun
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Message 1267 of 1444 (881645)
08-26-2020 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1259 by jar
08-25-2020 2:08 PM


Re: Critical Thinkers vs Apologetics
The creation alleged in the beginning in the Genesis 1 myth.
Do you know how much scientific information is given by the first three words (In the beginning ...) of Gen 1:1
Based only on that three words, you SHOULD believe in this God.

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Juvenissun
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Message 1268 of 1444 (881646)
08-26-2020 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1265 by Tangle
08-25-2020 4:26 PM


I don't believe that you could actually kill a baby just because you wanted to, or to prove that you could.
It depends on two definitions: kill and baby.
If defined properly, anyone can do it.

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Juvenissun
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Message 1269 of 1444 (881647)
08-26-2020 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1262 by Tangle
08-25-2020 3:16 PM


Well nearly. I actually say that because our freewill is bounded by all sorts of constraints, some simply internal, we do not actually have freewill in the religious sense at all. It's simply another religious fiction. Our ability to choose between good and evil is not entirely possible.
If we do not have free will, then there is no need for Christianity. Or, more precisely, there is no Christianity.
The free will in Christianity is demonstrated way back to Gen 2:16. Gen 2:17 is even more clear on that.
Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.

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Juvenissun
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Message 1271 of 1444 (881663)
08-27-2020 8:52 AM
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08-26-2020 7:25 PM


Re: Critical Thinkers vs Apologetics
No scientific information is given in any of Genesis 1.
I guess you do not care about any scientific knowledge. You are a blessed person.

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Juvenissun
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Message 1284 of 1444 (881708)
08-27-2020 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1272 by Phat
08-27-2020 8:58 AM


Re: God, free will, foreknowledge...pick a rabbit trail
Juvenissun writes:
If we do not have free will, then there is no need for Christianity. Or, more precisely, there is no Christianity.
Don't tell them that! It only supports their belief that it was all made up! You are throwing the Holy Baby out with the bathwater.
Sorry, I thought I am talking to adults who can think.
The FACT that Christianity exists, says that free will exists.

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Juvenissun
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Message 1285 of 1444 (881709)
08-27-2020 5:26 PM
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08-27-2020 1:11 PM


As well, even if we do have free will - there is still no need for Christianity.
Fine, that says we do have free will.

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Juvenissun
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Message 1288 of 1444 (881725)
08-27-2020 10:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1287 by ringo
08-27-2020 9:16 PM


Re: God, free will, foreknowledge...pick a rabbit trail
They mean: God exists.
What you need to improve is to ask question related to the issue of discussion. In your case, question is cheap. That is an abuse to the value of question. Cheap question devalues yourself (back to be a kid). Good question is hard to ask. You are not able to evaluate your own question yet.
Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.

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