Free will vs Omniscience

Are you saying that if, for example, you and I could at this moment open a Big Book that showed my future written down by GOD and that my future (in the book) turned out to be an evil one that it would thus be my duty and obligation to oppose such a plot and to oppose the author of such a plot? (if so, I am beginning to understand your perspective)For the record, I don't believe that I am powerless at this moment in time to influence my own future. My future is based in part on the decisions that I make on a daily basis.If we could prove that GOD foreknew our futures, would that in and of itself be a valid gripe against Him?

Hypothetically, does this include "fallen" angels? If God created angels foreknowing that a third of them would rebel and actualize destiny, would it be God who was evil or would it be "evil" that sought to be like God?I realize that this is all hypothetical silly talk based on dogmas that many Christians believe. Many believe that God personifies good and that Satan personifies bad. My question is if God created Lucifer foreknowing that Lucifer would choose to become a rival franchise, would God be responsible for the rival franchise or would Satan? (I say that this makes Isaiah 45:7 more sensible than before)

Time sure flies. And I am sure that you are wiser now than you were then. Honestly I don't know. If He knows anything, He is being quiet about it.

Of course, we are exhorted to become "like Jesus".Becoming like Jesus is one thing..."becoming Jesus" will likely get you thrown in a mental ward.

What IF God created someone who had the capability of "damning" themselves? Would God still be responsible for the ones who chose damnation?Somehow I think that we tend to confuse evil with responsibility for evil.We may well argue that God is responsible for any and all evil based on the fact that He "created" evil. Or not.

What if GOD knew your choice at the precise moment that you made your choice? What if the communion was not a before or after communion but rather a moment-in-time communion? Your decision...made by you...known at the same moment by God...Does that make any sense?Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Not quite. Im saying that God knows when we freely choose Him and doesn't know when we freely choose otherwise. (depart from me I never knew you)

What "choice" has "the GOD" made? IF God= past+present+future, God is always going to be in the moment that any decision is made. God always knows the moment. God is always in the moment. He is never going to know anything "in advance" of the moment of our choice because he is always in the moment of our choice. We choose. He is present. He knows our choice because He knows us.

Allow me to quote a couple of scriptures which help me to understand the problem of evil. (They may or may not help you...they may simply be Phats dogma to you... ) God is showing something which must soon take place. Foreknowledge? Past, Present, and Future.GOD was, Is, and Is to come. God is past, present, and future.So we have our Christ...And we have our AntiChrist...Once Was implies that this creature had a beginning...was created...not eternal. This creature is not in the present moment...and yet is in the future.God foreknows nothing and yet knows everything that happens in His eternal present. Lucifer chose to become satan...just as we choose our destiny on a moment by moment basis...and our present choice becomes our future reality. We become the decisions that we make. God is not evil ...but he beast is evil. God is not evil for allowing the beast to exist. The Beast once chose to become a beast rather than an angel. Similarly, we choose our destiny. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Edited by Phat, : spellingEdited by Phat, : No reason given.

For God, there is no such thing as foreknowledge. There is but knowledge. God cannot be before herself nor after herself. Does that make sense or would you like another helping of salad?

God has allowed our knowledge (and our decisions) to remain ours. This brings up the issue of communion.IF God is in communion with me this very moment, does God then "know" what I am thinking,choosing, and doing?On a human level, none of us are mind readers. Anyone who knows or claims to know what an individual may do in the future is simply coincidental. The question...the philosophical question, however...is what God knows. My argument is that God is eternally present and thus knows whatever He knows based on communion with humanity. I am then forced to describe what communion (or co-awareness) even means.This gets into the idea of whether we make each and every decision that we make alone...thus having sole responsibility for our destiny...or whether we are guided in some decisions.

Come let us reason together. Now what were we talking about?

Keep in mind I am thinking...or attempting to think and reason...on the fly. Some of my statements may need clarification or correction so please feel free to do so. So Ringo, whats your opinion on the whole foreknowledge freewill philosophy?

What if God had knowledge of evil? Would he be responsible for knowing about it? What if at exactly this moment, another serial killer had just purchased a large cache of weapons and was heading towards the High School. Also assume that the "Prime Directive" of Star Trek is logical.

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The Prime Directive, used in four of the five Star Trek-based series, prohibits Starfleet personnel from interfering with the internal development of alien civilizations. This conceptual law applies particularly to civilizations which are below a certain threshold of technological, scientific and cultural development; preventing starship crews from using their superior technology to impose their own values or ideals on them.

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Should God also restrain Himself or should he supernaturally zap this threat from among us?

I think im gonna go with the idea that God chooses to let us write our own script and determine our own future. God chooses not to know, in other words.