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vimesey
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Message 781 of 858 (848952)
02-19-2019 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 778 by candle2
02-19-2019 7:47 AM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
They support grown men loving on each other.

This is always the one that attracts the visceral antagonism from you guys, isn't it ? Not the picking up sticks on the Sabbath; not the bestiality; not the adultery; not the idolatry; not any other of the many things God seems to have a problem with. Your go-to hostility is always directed towards gay people.

I've only ever heard one credible explanation for this. It's that the thought of two men having sex evokes dark..... guilty ..... feelings of ..... desire.

If you get the chance, see if you can watch the film My Beautiful Launderette. It's (in part, at least) an interesting study of someone wrestling with the hatred his desire creates.

Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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AZPaul3
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Message 782 of 858 (848958)
02-19-2019 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 778 by candle2
02-19-2019 7:47 AM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
Since the others answered most of your BS already let me just add two points of my own:

A. You must go thru one hell of a struggle with the sex stuff. You seem, like most fundy christian haters of humanity, to struggle with sexual differences, maybe even some specific sexual acts or positions your kind consider evil, while the rest of us are out there just doin' it all and enjoying life as best we can. I'll bet it makes you sweat. Especially at night when "those thoughts" creep into the twilight of your dreams.

2. As an atheist I can attest to the fact that we not only kill babies we eat them. With assorted vegetables and wines.

III. I have no fear of your non-existent Satan while you, poor duffus, have to be constantly looking over your shoulder wondering just where he's hiding cause he heard you moaning in ecstacy last night.

And, have a "goo" day.

Don't let this come as a shock and start you screaming in fear, but, I actually hope you have a goo day as well.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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DrJones*
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Message 783 of 858 (848961)
02-19-2019 3:00 PM
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02-19-2019 7:47 AM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
They support grown men loving on each other.

And grown women, you homophobes always forget women on women luvvin. Hot naked women with other women... I'll be in my bunk.
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Stile
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Message 784 of 858 (848962)
02-19-2019 3:03 PM
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02-19-2019 3:00 PM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
DrJones* writes:

Hot naked women with other women... I'll be in my bunk.

Make room for 2!

Wait - that came out wrong.
...OR DID IT???


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DrJones*
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Message 785 of 858 (848968)
02-19-2019 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 784 by Stile
02-19-2019 3:03 PM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
hey buddy, you wanna offend god together?
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candle2
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Message 786 of 858 (848984)
02-20-2019 7:01 AM
Reply to: Message 779 by Theodoric
02-19-2019 8:03 AM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
The homosexual priests who rape little boys have nothing to do with Christt. They serve their god, Satan. In fact, the Roman Catholic Church was started by Satan because he couldn't stomp out true Christianity; therefore, he created a counterfeit one.

The RCC is itself an image of the Babylonian Mystery Religion ( condemned so harshly in Rev, 17 & 18.

Both worshipped " mother and child;" both claimed to be able to forgive sin; both had Cardinals; both believed they had the right to murder: both had nuns (the BMR used them for sex and for having babies), which was then sacrificed to Dagon, the fish God. Liberals now champion the slaughter of innocent babies.

In New York and Virginia babies can now be killed up to the time of birth. Obama has said that it is acceptable to set a baby, who has survived an abortion, on a shelf and starve to death. Also, Obama saw merit in a mother having up to 28 days after birth to abort (kill the living child).

The mitre worn by the Pope and bishops looks exactly like a fish with an open mouth. The ring worn by all popes is in honor of Dagon, not Christt

The RCC has taken upon itself to change "times an law." It has sudstituded Sunday for God's 7th day Sabbath. The great harlot has her daughter churches, which have accepted her false doctrines.

Among these false doctrines are :
The Trinity
Immortal soul
Eternal burning in hell
Sanctity of Sunday
That Christ was resurrected on Sunday
That those in the 2nd resurrection have already been judged.
Easter, and many more.

Someone who claims to be a follower of Christ but doesn't obey His laws is no more Christian than is a transgendered man who claims to be female.

Oh, good to hear that you don't have the faith that you actually are an atheist.


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Thugpreacha
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Message 787 of 858 (848985)
02-20-2019 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 786 by candle2
02-20-2019 7:01 AM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
I had to factcheck your claims about Obama. Obama and Infanticide

I am a political moderate. I am also a Christian, but I like to know whether or not my sources for news are actual facts or rumors run amok.

But since we are in my topic on Freewill and Omniscience, I fear we are drifting off topic.
Tell me more about how and why The Trinity is a false Doctrine at this other topic:
The Meaning Of The Trinity


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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candle2
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Message 788 of 858 (848986)
02-20-2019 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 782 by AZPaul3
02-19-2019 2:49 PM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
I have no problem with what two men or two women do in the privacy of their own home. My problem is when people use the force of the government to ruin peple who refuse to provide services for homosexual marriages.

God destroyed the people of Sodom for homosrxuality. Read it for yourself in Gen. 19. Even after being struck with blindness these men still clawed at the door wanting homosexual acts with the two men.

Do you know how ludicrous that sounds? My bet is that you don't have enough common sense to see the stupidity in their act

Do you have any idea how many marriages end in divorce because of adultery?

What argument could anyone now use to prohibit polygamy; bestiality; or, pedophilia?

First it was homosexuality, then bisexuality, then trangenderism. Only a total idiot, and I mean a total idiot, would doubt that the other three I''ve mentioned won't soon follow.

You mentioned other replies to my post. I apologize to those who have replied. I will read and reply to them, but I have a good deaal of things going on. Hopefully it will lessen in a couple of months.

Oh, by the way, I hear that sixty percent of the people in your county is addicted to break fluid.

I also heard that ninety percent of them can't stop.


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Stile
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Message 789 of 858 (848991)
02-20-2019 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 788 by candle2
02-20-2019 9:10 AM


All for polygamy!
candle2 writes:

My problem is when people use the force of the government to ruin peple who refuse to provide services for homosexual marriages.

"My problem is when people use the force of the government to ruin people who ruin homosexual marriages."

Well - tough titties.
Everyone has the right to get married whether you like it or not.
Just as everyone has the right to ride the bus and sit wherever they like and drink out of any public water fountain and vote.

If people have issues with that... then they shouldn't be in the bus-business, or the drinking business, or the voting business, or the marriage business.

Tough titties.

Everyone's equality is above the Bible's exclusivity.

What argument could anyone now use to prohibit polygamy; bestiality; or, pedophilia?

The argument that consenting adults should be allowed to do whatever they want.

This prohibits bestiality and pedophilia.

This does not prohibit polygamy - but I don't think polygamy should be prohibited.
Control, abuse - sure, those things (generally associated with polygamy and polygamist cults) should be prohibited and much better enforced than they are.
But the basic idea of polygamy itself? Not a problem. Consenting adults doing what consenting adults all want.
In fact - I have a problem with anyone who wants to stop such a thing.

First it was homosexuality, then bisexuality, then trangenderism. Only a total idiot, and I mean a total idiot, would doubt that the other three I''ve mentioned won't soon follow.

There's nothing wrong with any of those things.
Again - consenting adults doing what consenting adults want - what's the problem?
Other than, you know, that you can't personally handle it.
Well - I'm sure I do plenty of things that you can't personally handle - like being a decent person all the time. And I won't let you get in the way from me doing that, either.

Oh, by the way, I hear that sixty percent of the people in your county is addicted to break fluid.

I also heard that ninety percent of them can't stop.

I understand you're attempting to make some sort of analogy/joke here.
But I just don't get it. Maybe you messed it up, or maybe it takes a selfish-attitude in order to get what you're hinting at.


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candle2
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Message 790 of 858 (848994)
02-20-2019 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 789 by Stile
02-20-2019 11:05 AM


Re: All for polygamy!
Listen, stop playing dumb. And stop being an intolerant liberal bigot.
Liberals pretvend to be tolerant but they are not, not even close.

Liberals are tolerant of sexual deviancy; they agree with it.
Liberals aren't tolerant of killing babies, of ripping their precious arms, legs, and bodies to pieces. One cannot be tolerant of an issue that they support and agree with.

Liberals are not tolerant with people who (for true religious convictions) refuse to provide services for homosexual marriages. The intolerant bigots take them to court, even though there are many others who will fulfill their requests

Liberals are not tolerant of one single thing when they don't agree with it

Namba has been around for decades, and it is gaining steam. Perversion had a way of winning out.

I have seen several psychologists and psychiatrists ostate on TV that pedphiles are born that way, and that it is wrong to deny them equality. For them it is acceptable as lovative ngas the child isn't coersced. They are fighting to lower the age of consent.

I have black conservatives who would knock your teeth out for comparing them to homosexuality.

My black conservative friends have seen places like Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, and many other cities that have been under the control of Democrats for decades crumble to pieces.

Even with 100's of billions invested in their cause, Democratic politicians have blacks in these cities living like they were on the plantation

They live in dilapidated housing. They exist on subsidies that barely cover their needs. There is extreme violence. Plus, they have lost hope of rising above their surroundings. Liberals politicians have done this

Liberals use blacks, period. They highly enjoy that the majority of aborted (murdered) babies are black. Kill more of them they say.

They tell blacks that they are not intelligent enough to achieve success w/o special privileges, which only reinforces their negativityy.

And you have the indecency to act like Liberals ate the good guys.


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Stile
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Message 791 of 858 (848995)
02-20-2019 1:48 PM
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02-20-2019 1:22 PM


Re: All for polygamy!
candle2 writes:

And you have the indecency to act like Liberals ate the good guys.

Wow. You really are nuts!

Ha ha... the rest of your post is just too funny. Are you serious? Dude - you have to get out more.


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1.61803
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Message 792 of 858 (849002)
02-20-2019 3:04 PM
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02-20-2019 9:10 AM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
candle2 writes:

Do you know how ludicrous that sounds?

Almost as ludicrous as Lot wanting to turn his son out or bang his own daughters.


"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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ringo
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Message 793 of 858 (849005)
02-20-2019 3:18 PM
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02-20-2019 9:10 AM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
candle2 writes:

God destroyed the people of Sodom for homosrxuality. Read it for yourself in Gen. 19.


If Lot thought the men of Sodom were homosexuals, why did he offer them his daughters?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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DrJones*
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Message 794 of 858 (849006)
02-20-2019 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 788 by candle2
02-20-2019 9:10 AM


Re: GOD: Complex or ET?
God destroyed the people of Sodom for homosrxuality. Read it for yourself in Gen. 19. Even after being struck with blindness these men still clawed at the door wanting homosexual acts with the two men.

so what? why should society be run according to bronze age fairy tales?

Do you know how ludicrous that sounds?

it is pretty ludicrous, good thing we don't let ludicrous fairy tales run our lives.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Theodoric
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Message 795 of 858 (849008)
02-20-2019 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 790 by candle2
02-20-2019 1:22 PM


Re: All for polygamy!
You are a hateful little troll aren't you.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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