Free will vs Omniscience

Seeing is believing. You wont see the spirits (or Spirit) themselves but you will see their appearance manifest by and through what the person does, says, and how they behave.

If that were true then there would be some noticeable and testable behavior differences.But no one has EVER shown any evidence of such traits.

I only reply to adult argument, not a kids fight.

I guess you've never visited a church meeting.
Try one. The answer is there.

In addition to your physical body, do you have some kind of spirit?
You may say you don't.

Been there, seen the silliness and contagion.There was absolutely no evidence of anything but a total failure to think or keep in touch with reality.

What exactly is the test to identify some spirit?LOLMMTU

I couldn't care less if you reply or not. I'll keep pointing out your errors whether you can handle it or not.

Just so you know, I was practically born in church. I could quote scripture before I could read it. I spent thirty years going to church as much as five times a week. I have seen "speaking in tongues" dozens, maybe hundreds of times. It really isn't.

Heh The Ontological Argument?I always roll my eyes at that one.
It's hard to imagine that someone smart enough to come up with such a string-of-thought would be silly enough to accept that it's an actual "proof of existence" for anything.And, if we look into Anselm's history, he didn't think it was "proof" of anything, either:

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Anselm's argument was not presented in order to prove God's existence; rather, Proslogion was a work of meditation in which he documented how the idea of God became self-evident to him.

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Personally, I see this as:"I live in a time where Religious Fools run the world and are inescapable. They also easily kill those who say anything they disagree with.
Therefore, I'll do what I can to appease these nutcases so that I can live in relative ease amongst them."Or, so I like to think, anyway

Actually, I could. It would be difficult, yes. But I could still do it.
What makes you think I couldn't? What constraints are you talking about? I have massive difficulties taking out the trash. I hate doing it. I'm not pretending. I could kill a baby. You saying I can't doesn't mean anything. What's preventing me? I agree.
I didn't say I could casually kill a baby.
I said I could kill a baby. I would feel regret, and horrible-ness and may not even be able to sleep for a long time after.
But I could still do it.I'm trying to wonder why you can't seem to understand this.I can come up with 2 reasons.1. Perhaps you think that because you are not capable of doing something - than others couldn't possible be able to do it either?
-I doubt this one.
-Obviously people can do plenty of things you cannot. Like Usain Bolt being much faster than you. Or anyone in Cirque Du Solei being much more co-ordinated that you are.
-Feelings, and "dealing with feelings" are just like these sorts of things. Some are affected by them more, some less. Some can deal with them better, some worse.2. Maybe you're under the impression that one has to actually do something before they are capable of making the decision to do it?
-this, to me, is just as immature as #1, but you do seem to be leaning in this direction?I've never been presented the option to eat shark fin soup.
But even if I was presented the option - I would choose not to eat it because sharks are endangered (in large part because of the soup...)
Do you really think, though - that I am physically incapable of putting shark fin soup into my mouth and slurping it down?
I could eat shark fin soup - I don't think it's very difficult. I don't personally know a lot of sharks.
Do you also claim that it's impossible for me to eat shark fin soup?What about suicide?
No one alive has ever committed suicide - or else they would be dead.
Therefore, according to your "theory" - it must be impossible for anyone to choose to commit suicide!
Well done! No one will ever die from suicide again! Tangle's identified that it's impossible simply because each individual hasn't actually done it yet!Do you want to bet that another suicide will happen in the future?
You'll lose that bet just as much as you lose your argument that I cannot kill babies.Someone's going to die by suicide again one day - because they'll choose to do so, even though they've never done it before.
And I am capable of killing a baby or eating shark fin soup - even though I've never done either so far and (hopefully) never will.Your argument is foolish.
You have nothing.

I know you didn't but that was my requirement. We know there are circumstances when normal people may be able to kill a baby. Some more easily than others and some probably not at all.My requirement is that you do it as casually as putting the bins out for no other reason than 'well, why not?'It's seems a perfectly obvious point to make that our freewill is bounded. We are restrained to varying degrees by our sense of morality - empathy. The killing the baby thought experiment just shows an extreme boundary. And no, you could not casually kill a baby. Or at least I hope not. But there are people who could.

If the answer was ever truly in your head and your heart and the answer was Jesus Christ, I would argue that you cant really outgrow Him as easily as you would a Santa Claus myth, spaghetti monster mythos, or any other fool thing that humans believe. Unless you finally concluded that human wisdom made God rather than the other way around. In which case I argue that you are WRONG. I dont care how many years you put in. Science and its method are great for telling us facts about material reality but are no better than spiritual belief and experience at defining and/or disproving God. You simply chose to no longer believe...for whatever reason.

You can't argue that Phat because it's not an argument, it's just you not wanting to believe something you don't like.It was true for me, accept it. In my case it had nothing to do with science or disproving god or choosing anything. It was just a realisation that the whole thing was a pile of made up nonsense.I was about 14 and I'd never heard of evolution or the scientific method. Just accept it, I believed exactly like you, then I didn't. Don't try to spin it, it's a fact.

It does not matter how did you feel in a church. The key is you DO feel some differences.THAT, is the evidence.