...except that you have ignored all of the factors which are not "God" or supernatural at all in deciding if your prayers were answered or not.
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That's because there are no other factors.
Are you sure?
The things you prayed for could not possibly have come about except by the intervention of your particular God?
How do you determine that this is the case?
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Thor and other gods are all false idol images people bowed to in the past. A gold bull is an inanimate object, on the LORD God Yahweh created the heavens and earth, and there are no gods beside him.
Read what I said, mike.
"except that you have ignored all of the factors
which are not "God" or supernatural at all in deciding if your prayers were answered or not."
What mundane factors could have influenced the outcome?
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It's evasive for you to try and get me into questioning other religions when we are dealing with the truth of Christ here.
No, not really.
It's just another factor in the long list of things that could be giving you hits on prayer fulfillment other than the one you wish to be true.
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The first time I declared the throat gone in ten seconds, and then the nose in another ten, while counting down in my mind I literally was improving.
Sorry, I'd need outside verification for that claim. Self-reports in these cases are notoriously heavily biased.
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Another time I got angry because I was having a run of colds but basically just putting up with them because they are only colds afterall, but I got angry as I had a sore throat, and requested healing and in the morning it was gone.
So, your immune system had nothing to do with that at all?
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In honesty, the declaration of ten seconds was most impressive but God doesn't particularly work via any rules. People can have slow or fast healings.
Or, people heal at different rates because of various biological and environmental factors, like individual immune system variations, nutrition and hydration, type of virus, amount of sleep they get, stress, exposure to pollution, etc. etc, etc.
Which is more likely, the above list which is clearly observed and documented and everyone, regardless of religious affiliation, can agree on, or that your God is sometimes healing people quickly, sometimes slowly, sometimes a kind of medium speed, sometimes not at all?
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It wasn't Thor though because Jesus Christ is my intercessor to God
So says you.
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and is the only personal saviour who has proved that he is God
So says you.
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by living as a man and dying for our sins. Thor is fantasy Shraff. Christ liveth.
So says you.
Show me.
If you come up with a hit rate greater than chance would suggest, then I would say that there is something to this prayer.
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But what is this chance? How do I know what chance would allow?
It's MATH mike. MATHEMATICS. PROBABILITY. ODDS.
Take a statistics course and you will understand better.
I found
this site on calculating basic probability
Of course, it deals with extremely clear cut cases, such as the odds of pulling a red or a blue marble out of a bag.
The problems with prayer requests is that they are generally much more susceptible to interpretation after the fact, because they are not anywhere near specific enough.
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Why should I do your experiment though Shraff? I'd only do it if I had doubt, and I don't have enough doubt to do it.
Look, YOU are the one who wants me to believe you.
I don't care if you believe it or not, but if you want to make claims that your prayers really are being answered and you want people to take them seriously, I'm going to require some good experimental design and controls.
Of course, it doesn't say either way if your perception of God exists and is actually answering your prayers.
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That's because my specific prayers have been answered which shows that God is infact answering them,
No, it doesn't show that.
It shows that
something is affecting the outcome.
See, you cannot define or detect or show anyone this God that you say you are praying to. We have no way of knowing what is making the things happen, only that they are happening.
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and my perception of God is that he answers my prayers according to how the bible says he would.
Hmmm, "according to how the Bible said he would"?
That phrase send up a red flag to me because we all know how vague and open to interpretation the Bible is.
What, exactly, do you mean by "and my perception of God is that he answers my prayers according to how the bible says he would"?
How, exactly, should God be anwering your prayers? This explanation should be as precise and specific as possible, otherwise we are heading into rationalization and post hoc reasoniong land.
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But I know that my prayers have been answered, you just don't believe they have.
No, you
believe that they have been answered, and
I don't know if they have or not.
And that is the source of our conflict.
You think you "know", when you actually "believe" without reliable evidence.
You continue to think that I deny everything you say, when in reality I don't have enough information to make a determination at all.
That's why I ask for evidence.
Telling me that I have to believe before I will believe is silly.
You're the one making the claims about effects in the real world.
Now it's time to put up or shut up.
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