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lfen
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Message 91 of 128 (333097)
07-18-2006 9:02 PM
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07-18-2006 8:46 PM


Re: Misconceptions
Accidently double post removed. lfen

Edited by lfen, : No reason given.


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Message 92 of 128 (333102)
07-18-2006 9:15 PM
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Re: Misconceptions
Oh Yes,.

The Babylonian Talmud was written between 200 and 600 C.E. If they were attempting to respond to the Jesus cruxifition story, they definately changed it enough not to match the story in the New Testament. That passage would is probably written in the mid 3rd century, and is undoubable a reaction against the accustations in the New Testament.

I would be more impressed if it was anywhere near the first century. A 200 years later rewrite, as a response to christainty is not really a good source.


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Message 93 of 128 (333113)
07-18-2006 9:42 PM
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07-18-2006 6:00 PM


Re: Bleak
i will not sit quietly nodding on the couch next to me brilliant and vocal fundy husband like so many christian wives.

quote:
You don't actually think that's what married life is actually like, do you? That was so bleak.

It is just like that, apparently, for many, many women in conservative Christian marriages.

The Promise Keepers and the Southern Baptists make me grind my teeth.

Ah, well, that must be the reason that conservative Christians have the highest divorce rate among all religious groups in the US (Atheists and Agnostics are in the "lowest" group, BTW :)).


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Message 94 of 128 (333117)
07-18-2006 9:50 PM


What? No response from Faith?

    
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Message 95 of 128 (333119)
07-18-2006 9:51 PM
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Re: Bleak
I remember coming across someone I used to work with for a while in a mall, with his new wife,and baby. She had another one from a previous marriage.

Every other sentance was ended by 'Bless the lord'. Somehow the converstation came about to having another child.. and he said 'The lord will bring them when they come'. This woman, who was just basically saying 'bless the lord' every time her husband say 'bless the lord', and appeared pretty meek and mild until then suddenly piped up 'The wife has something to say about that too you know'.


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Message 96 of 128 (333122)
07-18-2006 10:01 PM
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07-18-2006 8:52 PM


Re: Way to far off topic but ...
If there is not a moral standard,.......

Where did the "absolute" go, Nem? It was in every post of yours before this one! OF COURSE there are moral standards in every human community on earth, including Death Row at Angola Prison. They appear to be defined by the community - different for traditional Inuit and urban Belgians.

But you have yet to even define what an "absolute moral standard" even is supposed to be, and so you're abondoning it? Or was that just a slip on the keyboard?


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Message 97 of 128 (333126)
07-18-2006 10:19 PM
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07-18-2006 8:32 PM


Re: Bleak
Please I would ask you to either start a new thread requested posts 64, 69. Because at this time you are throwing around absolute moralites or relativism, and in either case, you have not explicitly stated what the absolute moralies are and neither have you demonstrated how your characterization of relativism is proper.

I don't have to even identify what the absolute morality is or who instituted it. All that matters is, if you disagree that morals are absolute, then there is no such thing as right or wrong, in which case, I'm allowed to do whatever I opine and no one can scoff at my "version" of reality.

Its a no-win situation for a relativist.


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Message 98 of 128 (333131)
07-18-2006 10:26 PM
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07-18-2006 10:19 PM


topic, people
Hate to have to do this, but I've got to insist that we drop the relative morality discussion because it is OFF TOPIC for this thread.

The topic is Rapture Ready.

Please take discussion of morality to the appropriate trheads, or propose a new one.

Thank you, carry on, on topic please.


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Message 99 of 128 (333143)
07-18-2006 11:12 PM
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07-18-2006 8:54 PM


Re: Misconceptions
even culturally and in secular terminology, semitic people are everyone from the middle east. there are semitic jews, and non-semitic (ashkenazi, ethiopian, south african, sephardic, etc) jews. there are semitic muslims, and non-semitic muslims (asian).

Well, if I moved to the middle east it wouldn't make me a Semite because I come from the line of Japheth. But yes, I know what you're arriving at.

yes. i'll i'm saying is that the radical contigent are generally called "zionists," and one can be against them without being against zion, true zionism, or israel. because, really, the zionist movement is technically over, now that israel is a state and has an official hebrew language.

Your point is duly noted. Well articulated.

depends. do you think american indians should be allowed to have casinos?

While I don't personally like it and it irritates me that a group who's stated goals are preserving the enviornment, the passing on of Native American heritage, among other things, can fall so hard for the almighty mammon. But, they are allowed to have them so we must let them be until, or unless its amended. I just refuse to spend one cent in them.

palestine had the land for the better part of 2,000 years. israel moved in, relocated the palestinians, and continues to make their lives generally bad (example in a bit). i think they have some cause to be pissed, yes. but i think it's also ridiculous for them to blame all of their problems on israel. and their methods are to be despised. the problem, to me, is that radical contingents of both israel and palestine sound exactly the same.

That's what I'm saying. They haven't been there for 2,000 years. But even if they were living there for 2 days, Palestinians have a right to exist in Palestine/Israel. What they don't have the right to do, {speaking about HAMAS, not your average citizen} is to attack and blame Israel for all of life's problems. I think Israel going into the West Bank and forcing Jews out of their own homes that they payed for, was more than a compromise... But it wasn't enough, was it? Because most unfortuantely, people like Hamas and the PLO can't be reasoned with. If you give them an inch, they'll demand a foot. If you concede to give them a foot, they'll want a meter, and so on. They just won't be satisfied until Israeli's are dead or living in Antarctica. But the innocents is always hard to stomach. They did nothing but exist. As if war, and arguments, and strife wasn't bad enough all on its own, this makes it all the worse.

well, they do stomp through the streets, don't they?

No, they patrol their streets because everyday some a-hole Cleric convinces young, impressionable men and women to do the work they refuse to do themselves.

they consider it neccessary for their own protection, and so they have imposed a military state and essentially martial law on palestine, or at least the region that directly borders israel proper. since palestine is entirely contained within their official border, they can do whatever they'd like in their own country.

Well, its an unfortunate event. Everyone would like the alternative, which is diplomacy. But diplomacy has failed. No country wants to intentionally place its citizen under Marshal Law. Sometimes it is for the greater good that it is done.

like build a wall down the middle of it. the wall sounds like a good idea, doesn't it? check everyone who's coming through, etc. i agree, sounds good. the problem is that it's not one wall -- it's a network of walls, designed to divide the west bank in such a way so as to interrupt the daily lives of most palestinians.

Why shouldn't separate Palestine and Israel? Palestinans have made it clear that they want to be sovereign and Israel has made it clear that they want to be soveriegn. So, soverien they shall be. I guess its as asinine as asking why Canada and America have borders. Because we are separate countries.

there are stories about people having to take 12 mile detours to cross the street. they figure, if they can stop palestinians from moving around, they can stop communication of terrorists. and they might be right. ...but at what point does palestine become one giant ghetto? this is the same logic that relocated the japanese on the west coast of this country in ww2, and frankly, the same logic that spawned concentration camps for the jews. this is not a slippery slope we should be going down.

Well, I've never heard about that. I'm not doubting what you're saying, just that I've never heard that before. If that's the case, I think a compromise should be met to alleviate that annoyance.

they're bombing a residential area in lebanon right now. yes, that's WHY hizballah is there -- instant martyrs.

Yeah, you got that right. Martyrdom.

yes. well, there has to be a better way.

The only way to make it better is to separate them. But the League of Nations gave that land, and some people, myself included, feels that it was by Divine authority that it happened. But I'll try not to get into those aspects. But I have to wonder, if the Arab world is so concerned about the Palestinian plight, then why hasn't Syria, Jordan, Iraq, or whoever else offered to take the displaced refugees? I happen to believe that it works out to Islamo-fascist benefit to drive a wedge between Ishmael and Issac.

well, thank you. (man, btw). and no, i am certainly not anti-semitic.

I think the Hebrew font was a dead giveaway. LOL!

and actually, brenna isn't either, i'll vouch for her. she's just, well, she's kind of an asshole sometimes. she should be more careful and word things better. she's gotten in trouble for it before, and will get in trouble for it again.

Ah, Brenna's a good girl. I've been on too many forums to know the difference between someone who can be reasoned with and someone who is a polemicist, i.e. someone who argues just to argue. Brenna can be reasoned with, even if we hardly see eye to eye.

you also have to remember that most of the jews we go to school with are not israeli jews, or even semitic jews, but spoiled boca ("diaspora at its finest") jews, generally coming here from new york. and really, their crazy opinions on the israel/palestine conflict tend to be a little... well nuts, and out of touch. not that there aren't crazy people from israel too; there are, but they get more credit for their opinions.

All the bratty, Americanized Jews that I know seem largely indifferent to what's going on over there. But that almost seems worse to me. Almost.

well, what i think you probably mistakenly implied is what i'm often saying -- nazism greatly affected the european jews, the ones who returned to their homeland after the war to establish the state of israel. they are damned fearful of anything like that ever happening again, and really i don't blame them. that should NEVER happen again. but the problem is that the things that many of the more zionist members say are basically the same arguments of nazism. the nazis rounded up and tried to destroy the jews because they viewed them as a threat to their society. all i'm saying is that racism is racism, and we should be careful of the consequences.

No one one race or creed or nation or state or city is immune to having nutjubs somewhere within its confines. Israeli's are no exception to the rule. And should there be any engaged in ANY inappropriate matter, they should stand before a tribunal and tried on those allegations. If found guilty, then they should serve justice.

-isms evolved

Yeahm, its what I like to call, the "ism schism."

for instance, i'm rather anti-feminist. not because i'm against womens' rights (which i am ALL for) but because feminism has diverged from this focus, and is now largely sexist postmodern bullshit. same deal with zionism. i can be against radical and racist zionism, but be all for the original intent of it.

I find myself in opposition to feminism only because I feel that it detracts from femininity and inadvertently demonizes their own professed tenets. I think anything "radical" whether leftwing or rightwing is shockingly ignorant.

not true. i speak more hebrew than most jews i know, and i'm not jewish. yes, really, i am continually suprised by this myself. (what do they teach kids in hebrew school?) sephardic jews traditionally speak ladino or spanish, european and american jews english, ashkenazi tend to speak at least some yiddish, and ethiopians, um, whatever language they speak in ethiopia.

Alright, well there is Tiberian Hebrew and many other derivatives of Hebrew, as you pointed out, but I think the core of Jewishness has never been lost. With how many times they've been dispersed and how long those intervals were, its pretty amazing that they managed to keep it alive. The only other culture that might be comparable, are Gypsy's.

most of the jews here are secular

Where is "here?" Or, there, rather...?

and i know a fair portion of the ones in israel are too. "jewish" also works as a cultural definiton, not neccessarily a religious one. the traditions are closely to the culture, yes, and come from the religion -- but that doesn't mean that cultural and religious jews are practically the same group.

Yeah, like I said, I know alot of secular Jews. But to me, their traditions are so rooted in Judaism that its hard for me to understand how they can separate the two into two entities.

i know a lot of athiests that celebrate christmas too.

Good point. However, Christmas is just a bastardization of Christianity, Norse pantheism, and Etruscan paganism.... Right down to the Christmas tree.

well, not exactly. rome burned jerusalem. not all of israel. but maybe i missed that day in school. *shrug*

What i meant by scortched (not sure if there is a "T" in there and am too lazy to look it up), but the land was reputedly very fertile. It literally changed climates into a desert in no time after they left.

traditionally, the jews were sheep-herders and nomads in their early days. you gotta start somewhere. can you fault the ancient people who inhabited the land after the diaspora for not immediately establishing an empire? they did, eventually, though, didn't they?

Yeah, I guess they were like most people in those days. Your livestock was your livlihood for most people.

i don't think that's the only site holy to islam in israel. i could be wrong, i don't know a whole lot about islam.

I don't know either, all I do know is that the Dome of the Rock is pretty critical to the Islamic faith.

actually, i should mention something somewhat ironic. deuteronomy and joshua mention driving the philistines/palestinians out of the promised land, and depict israel conquering them. but by all archaeological evidence available, it looks like the exodus and conquest of the holy land never actually happened

I think you are thinking of the......? Crap, i can't remember their names. The Edomites? No, I don't think that;s it. But they did drive away a peoples thousands of years ago. As well, they did fight against the Palestinans/Phillistines quite often. Themost famous story being David and Goliath. But it should be made known that the Palestinians today come from Arab stock, which migrated much later in history. The Biblical Phillistines, I believe, were most closely related to Assyrians, Akkadians, Babylonians, and Sumerians, which aren't Arab at all.

Anyway, good post.


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Message 100 of 128 (333156)
07-19-2006 12:10 AM
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07-17-2006 7:23 AM


De-lurking for a moment…

What I'd like to discuss is everyone's opinions on how dangerous this apocalyptic attitude is to the world.

It’s certainly rather sad and pathetic, however it does have some potential for danger. Though it’s already been mentioned I’ll reinforce it again. Should a genuine believer gain a position of real power, or influence in policy decisions, then all hell could break loose (excuse the pun). If the prophecy states that a major war must take place, then that is what MUST happen or else the prophecy would have been wrong. So if this believer (who is waiting eagerly to take his/her place alongside JC) saw a major war on the way which fits the bill (ie. involves Israel) what might he/she do? I would doubt they’d use their position of power to actively try to make peace.

My hope is that nobody who seriously believes this end-times nonsense ever gains any kind of power.


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arachnophilia
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Message 101 of 128 (333159)
07-19-2006 12:15 AM
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Re: Misconceptions
Well, if I moved to the middle east it wouldn't make me a Semite because I come from the line of Japheth. But yes, I know what you're arriving at.

well, no. because you're not originally wrong there, ethnic-wise. originally, i suppose all jews are in fact semitic, but for some reason we (speaking in secular terms) divide the ethnic boundaries a little different, and do differentiate between different groups of jews and arabs.

While I don't personally like it and it irritates me that a group who's stated goals are preserving the enviornment, the passing on of Native American heritage, among other things, can fall so hard for the almighty mammon. But, they are allowed to have them so we must let them be until, or unless its amended. I just refuse to spend one cent in them.

well, it was really a moral question -- should we allow special considerations for groups we have grossly abused in the distant past? in the recent past? (two different questions). points for using "mamon" correctly, though. :D

What they don't have the right to do, {speaking about HAMAS, not your average citizen} is to attack and blame Israel for all of life's problems.

i agree. but if they seek independence, what methods do they have? and what methods does israel have to try to secure itself from their methods? it's just a bad situation all around. the solution, and one that BOTH sides recognized previously, was compromise. it's just that no one in the middle east wants to compromise and be someone else's fool.

I think Israel going into the West Bank and forcing Jews out of their own homes that they payed for, was more than a compromise... But it wasn't enough, was it?

i didn't udnerstand this until my (semitic) israeli teacher explained it to me. like i said above, no one wants to be anyone else's fool -- if you see someone trying to give you something, they're trying to trick you, and make a fool out of you. no one gives anyone anything for free. not parking spaces, not places in line at the bank, not their leftover lunch, nothing. and certainly not land. it's just customary that you don't take things people offer you for free, in the middle east. so when israel gives gaza to palestine, and relocates the israelis, what do the palestinians say? "take your land and shove it." that's why this conflict will be so hard to solve.

Because most unfortuantely, people like Hamas and the PLO can't be reasoned with. If you give them an inch, they'll demand a foot. If you concede to give them a foot, they'll want a meter, and so on. They just won't be satisfied until Israeli's are dead or living in Antarctica.

yeah, i dunno about that. antarctica, i mean. hamas and the plo aren't exactly mainstream political organizations -- it's a pity that enough people were dissatisfied enough with the former administration in palestine that they went and ELECTED hamas. i don't think anyone was more suprised than hamas themselves. the solution won't come in making hamas happy. it will come with making palestine happy. if palestine is happy, hamas will have no power, and no supporters.

Why shouldn't separate Palestine and Israel? Palestinans have made it clear that they want to be sovereign and Israel has made it clear that they want to be soveriegn. So, soverien they shall be. I guess its as asinine as asking why Canada and America have borders. Because we are separate countries.

but palestine and israel are not separate countries, are they? palestine is actually a portion of israel that considers itself a separate country -- but israel and the rest of the world does not. but yes, fine. separate israel and palestine. granted, even that's a little unfair, but it should be nothing more than a little hassle for the people who live in palestine and work in israel. they can put up with it, i think. but there's no good reason to divide up the communities on the "palestine" side, or destroy them to build the wall. and it won't stop terrorism in israel.

Well, I've never heard about that. I'm not doubting what you're saying, just that I've never heard that before. If that's the case, I think a compromise should be met to alleviate that annoyance.

yes, i agree. i think the above is an acceptable compromise.

and some people, myself included, feels that it was by Divine authority that it happened. But I'll try not to get into those aspects.

let's be totally honest for a second. doesn't that play into this? i mean, there is at least one group of jews supporting hamas for religious reasons.

But I have to wonder, if the Arab world is so concerned about the Palestinian plight, then why hasn't Syria, Jordan, Iraq, or whoever else offered to take the displaced refugees? I happen to believe that it works out to Islamo-fascist benefit to drive a wedge between Ishmael and Issac.

the zionists say it's because no one wants the palestinians. you're probably a lot closer to being right. though i suspect that the fact that the palestinians feel they have claim to the land (because, you know, they LIVE there) has something do with it too. and offered another piece of land, they probably wouldn't take it.

well, thank you. (man, btw). and no, i am certainly not anti-semitic.

I think the Hebrew font was a dead giveaway. LOL!

you'd think, right? some people here -- not so quick.

Ah, Brenna's a good girl. I've been on too many forums to know the difference between someone who can be reasoned with and someone who is a polemicist, i.e. someone who argues just to argue. Brenna can be reasoned with, even if we hardly see eye to eye.

we both certainly argue for the sake of argument. i feel that debate is a good path to enlightenment, for probing the validity of an argument. i'll often take devil's advocate positions for this reason. (i ALMOST argued with the hebrew font bit above saying "i type in english too, how do you know i'm not anti-caucasian?")

All the bratty, Americanized Jews that I know seem largely indifferent to what's going on over there. But that almost seems worse to me. Almost.

almost. a lot of the older ones here are somewhat indifferent. i think it's a college phenominon -- we're young and like to protest shit.

No one one race or creed or nation or state or city is immune to having nutjubs somewhere within its confines. Israeli's are no exception to the rule.

well, the great thing about it is, of course, that any argument against anything any israeli does can be easily turned into anti-semitism by the opponent. it's the basic "us or them" false dichtomy -- and it's no suprise that the same people espousing this view here are the ones who think we're either in support of bush doing whatever the hell he wants, or we're unamerican. same fallacy, different countries.

I find myself in opposition to feminism only because I feel that it detracts from femininity and inadvertently demonizes their own professed tenets. I think anything "radical" whether leftwing or rightwing is shockingly ignorant.

yes, i agree. i tend left myself, but the extreme left annoys me every bit as much as the extreme right. i'd love to go on about feminism and how i think it simply reinforces sexism, but it'd be a little TOO off topic here.

Alright, well there is Tiberian Hebrew and many other derivatives of Hebrew, as you pointed out, but I think the core of Jewishness has never been lost. With how many times they've been dispersed and how long those intervals were, its pretty amazing that they managed to keep it alive. The only other culture that might be comparable, are Gypsy's.

i'm not so sure. i think american jews are quite successfully integrated into secular/christian society here. i mean, yeah, they celebrate different holidays, but big deal. most don't believe in judaism much, or speak ANY hebrew at all, and generally have very little cultural identity apart from their american-ness. maybe that's more a quality of the american melting pot, though. eurpoean jes might be different.

Where is "here?" Or, there, rather...?

sorry, i thought i'd strongly implied that above. brenna and i both live in south florida, and go to school in boca raton.

Yeah, like I said, I know alot of secular Jews. But to me, their traditions are so rooted in Judaism that its hard for me to understand how they can separate the two into two entities.

well, i don't think you understand just how much is missing until you've seen orthodox traditions. the secular jews usually have passover and whatnot, but it's more about family than religion. most don't even go to temple.

Good point. However, Christmas is just a bastardization of Christianity, Norse pantheism, and Etruscan paganism.... Right down to the Christmas tree.

well, yeah. it just happens that passover is better rooted in the bible (chanukah, btw, is not). christmas, however, was still defined where it is in the calendar by a christian church, and several of the notable icons of the holiday (the star, angels, and st. nicholas) are all christian and religious in origin.

I think you are thinking of the......? Crap, i can't remember their names. The Edomites? No, I don't think that;s it. But they did drive away a peoples thousands of years ago. As well, they did fight against the Palestinans/Phillistines quite often. Themost famous story being David and Goliath. But it should be made known that the Palestinians today come from Arab stock, which migrated much later in history. The Biblical Phillistines, I believe, were most closely related to Assyrians, Akkadians, Babylonians, and Sumerians, which aren't Arab at all.

well, that wasn't the point. yes, there are stories, in the bible. the bible says joshua and the israelites marched into the holy land, and drove them out, and that david continued to hold them at bay. in the archaeology world, we have no evidence at all for king david even existing, and all of the evidence points to the philistines coming into the holy land as outsiders well after joshua. so the choices are: a) the jews stole the land from them, making the jews look bad, or b) the jewish faith is wrong about the promised land, but the palestinians have no claim to the land anyways. it's no win on both sides, really, either way you look at it.

anyways, the modern palestinians are indeed more arab than the biblical philistines. if they ARE related, it's likely because of intermarriage. as an example of the other side of things, there's a group of south african jews that is indeed originally semitic. this has been verified genetically because they tend to have the kohanim modal hyplotype, a chromosome unique to tribe of levi (the modern "cohen" family). yet they look south african -- very dark black skin, with african features. it's possible that intermarriage did something similar with the palestinians and the surrounding semitic peoples. but i doubt anyone can say for sure.


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ReverendDG
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From: Topeka,kansas
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Message 102 of 128 (333183)
07-19-2006 2:41 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 8:46 PM


Re: Misconceptions
This is so wrong, i can't believe you bothered to post this garbage

Yeshu is not jesus it would be rendered Yeshua or joshua. i mean read the bloody story, he was hanged why in the gods name would you think this is about jesus? this is nothing like what happened to jesus he was never hung or stoned
jesus was cruxified, or do you even know your own religion?!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshu
go read what it means instead of demonizing the jews like propaganda seems to tell you


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Member (Idle past 454 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 103 of 128 (333222)
07-19-2006 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by ramoss
07-18-2006 9:51 PM


Re: Bleak
quote:
I remember coming across someone I used to work with for a while in a mall, with his new wife,and baby. She had another one from a previous marriage.
Every other sentance was ended by 'Bless the lord'. Somehow the converstation came about to having another child.. and he said 'The lord will bring them when they come'. This woman, who was just basically saying 'bless the lord' every time her husband say 'bless the lord', and appeared pretty meek and mild until then suddenly piped up 'The wife has something to say about that too you know'.

Sickening.


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nator
Member (Idle past 454 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 104 of 128 (333223)
07-19-2006 7:01 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Thor
07-19-2006 12:10 AM


quote:
My hope is that nobody who seriously believes this end-times nonsense ever gains any kind of power.

Too late.


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Posts: 272
Joined: 11-17-2005


Message 105 of 128 (333285)
07-19-2006 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Hyroglyphx
07-18-2006 11:12 PM


Re: Misconceptions
I would like to call your attention to Absolute Morality...Again.. As morality comments are off topic on this thread. And I dislike the undefined usage of Absolute Morality, and relative morality in this thread. I would appreciate your participation as it would clear up some of my misunderstanding present in this thread.

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