Thou Shalts and Thou Shalnts

Halleujah. He's seen the light!Well almost... it wasn't that the law was designed to be impossible for us to obey. It is that we are unable to obey it perfectly. The problem is in us...not the law. Whatever, the point being...The law is there to condemn you. It's sole purpose is to make you feel condemned. Should you ever reach that point, then the law will have done exactly what it's supposed to do.That's when things get...er....interestingThis message has been edited by iano, 12-Oct-2005 10:21 AM

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"Jesus wept" John 11:35. It's the shortest verse in the Bible. What caused him to weep? Anothers death....

Thats not paraphrasing, that picking and choosing to suit your own ends. The Bible says (and I'm not paraphrasing it) 1:" All have sinned". To paraphrase: "Everyone is bad...not just homosexuals"

Pars' Paraphrasing got it wrong here too. The Bible says love your neighbour and his wife... and everybody else. Biblical loving is not the same as adulterous 'loving'.

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"Jesus wept" John 11:35. It's the shortest verse in the Bible. What caused him to weep? Anothers death....

As I've asked elsewhere Jar, where is this theory backed up in the Bible. I've pointed out already that the words "try" and "trying" don't appear in connection with salvation/damnation in the NT.It seems 'try' is a conclusion drawn out by your own rationality - not by the bibles rationale.

Funnily enough Parsomnium...it doesn't.

There you go. The bible doesn't proclaim on everything under the sun. Just the vital stuff.I've often wondered what the evolutionary advantage proffered by tickling is...maybe it's to make your dying moments fun as a tiger claws away at your belly

Who wants to live longer? It's a shame, truly, but you really have no idea about how fantastic God is. I can't wait to die - suicide is selfish and sinful so I'm afraid I'll have a while to wait yet.Besides I said the bible covers the vital stuff. I laugh myself silly sometimes reading it. Laughter at the sheer genius that put it all together, laughter and Gods humor in dealing with me, laughter at the very thought of meeting him. Joyous laughter.The bible doesn't need to talk about it. The bible talks (amongst other things) about deepening a relationship with God. The humor follows... "Forgive me Lord but you have such a good sense of humour I really can't help it (giggle)".When I was in Israel I saw some kids playing around the cafe we were in. Some ran excitedly up to their father shouting "Abba Abba" It means "Daddy, Daddy"The bible tells me I, as a son, can call God the Father "Abba"Quite...

What if God told you that your mission in life was to go to Iraq and "convert" those suicide bombers? You do not fear death, so...would you go?If he did I would. Edit to remove the rest - misunderstood the questionThis message has been edited by iano, 12-Oct-2005 04:34 PM

Judge in the sense of salvation? Or some other assessment

You continue to state this without biblical backup which speaks for itself.. But Paul is talking to believers at this point. These are letters to churches who already believe in what Christ has done for them. It is explaination as to how the gospel works and instruction as to behaviour in the light of who they now are. It is addressed to people who are already in christ/have the spirit/are saved etc. He points out that these things are NOT universal to all..Jesus talking to the rich young man is not talk to a believer. That person wants to know how to be saved. Pauls talk is to people who already areTwo categories of people Jar. They can't be compared. Only contrasted. Which is what Paul so often does. Contrast the state of the unbeliever with the believer

Which statment? How can any statement stand on its own? What about context?

I would have thought it was impossible myself

Thought we were discussing the bible internally rather than externally. Sorry. The law condemning is the first half in the game of salvation. Salvation, however is a game of two halves... That's a shame. Truly.

How would you (assuming your a guy) feel if some guys leered lustfully at your wife (assuming your married) as you strolled down the street. Is Gods law on adultery reasonable.A rethorical question, to which I probably know the answer. Do you keep the law yourself?

Man knows what is wrong alright. Its just that he can't help doing wrong. I can't see any relevance of the passage quoted with respect to Jars assertion that "it is left up to the individual to act on that knowledge" Chosen for what? And if you mean "to be saved" where is the biblical backup for this Agreed Jesus wasn't there to condemn. The law condemns: which is why people feel it when they break it. If there was no law to break you couldn't feel condemned.Paul mentions no condemnation for those that are 'in Christ'. Only people who are 'in Christ' can 'walk in the Spirit'. A person who is not in Christ eg: a secular person, cannot walk in the spirit no matter how hard they try. Telling them to might make them do 'good works'. But to no avail. Romans 8:7-8 "For the carnal (secular, athiest, non-Christian) mind is emnity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God. Neither indeed can it be. So then, they that are in the flesh CANNOT please God" For sure. But at the end of the day "the Gospel is the power unto salvation" - not us living it. God saves not us. Thank God You (and the rest of us) don't love God with all y(our)heart..etc. because you/we are a sinner. A Christian sinner or a non-Christian sinner. Its all the same. But the Christian, unlike the non-Christian is no longer under Law (ie: follow it 100% or perish (= practically speaking, you will perish)), he is under Grace. The Law is important, it is good - but for the Christian it no longer applies, salvationally speaking. He is "free indeed"Not so the person who is remains under Law.