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Author Topic:   Thou Shalts and Thou Shalnts
Silent H
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Message 19 of 204 (251111)
10-12-2005 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by jar
10-02-2005 12:51 PM


Re: knowing how to do the right thing is often much harder
Yet it is explicit from the very beginnings right through to the end.
I believe you are mistaken, though of course there is no way to ultimately prove either of us correct.
It seems to me the exact opposite message runs throughout, though Jesus plays a similar role. The garden was an explicit message that we absolutely do NOT know what right and wrong is, and that whenever we stop living and start judging as if we do (like we are Gods) then death and suffering are the result.
Whether God is real or not the stories follow people suffering and trying to rule as Gods, until finally being shown that they are not and some simple rules set out upon everyone to try and create a consistent atmosphere.
When this fails, people using those rules to yet again act like they are gods and know right and wrong, Jesus says okay forget the rules lets go back to the basics and live without judgement, hammering home the point that if there is judgement it will/should come from someplace else.
Ecclesiastes in the midst of all this suggests what I am saying almost directly, and seems inconsistent with what you are saying.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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Silent H
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Message 36 of 204 (251267)
10-12-2005 6:30 PM
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10-12-2005 12:06 PM


Re: knowing how to do the right thing is often much harder
IMO, neither Jesus nor his followers dumped the rules.
That's fine, but I disagree.
It seems inconsistent with the fact that he clearly dumped the Mosaic Laws, and expressed quite consistently that everyone should not be judging each other. Saying spirit rather than letter of law, still allows people to judge one another... even if one has concern for the individual. Indeed concern for others is sometimes used to back up judgements (for your own good!).
It really seems to me from the very first to almost the very end, the consistent admonition is holier than thou is really going to screw things up. Live and let live.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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