Satan and prayer

You know the answer to that one. The usual teaching throughout church history states that Satan is already choosing NOT to acknowledge God as supreme. Humans can flipflop and change their mind, whereas Satan made a monumental Once and for all choice. This ties in with the free will vs determinism debate. God can either change minds or He cannot. By cannot, I mean willnot, for God can do whatever He wills. If our will is apart from His will, Our decision to willnot settles the issue.This message has been edited by Phatboy, 09-08-2004 03:07 PM

Have you asked Satan about that? Seems to me you're relying on hearsay, at best, to determine the possible intent of this evil being.Anyhow, do you figure Satan has bothered to read Revelations? It seems rather clear from those that he's gonna get his butt kicked pretty good. Yet he must think he's got some sort of chance, yet if he is an angel, it seems like he would know a lot better just how freaking omnipotent and omniscient God is, so why would he bother?Or is it possible that Satan exists as a post hoc rationalization of why we think there is evil in this world?

OK..lets go with that one. Why ARE we so bad just when one would think that we had evolved and/or grown out of such primative behaviors?? From my heresay sources, Satan is so convinced that he is right that he ignores the obvious story. To him, he will some day get his own netherworld where he can kick it with dominion over all of the souls dumb enough to follow him there. He cannot imagine defeat. I never consciously talk to him. Do you suppose he has another explanation? If so, why would I believe him? BTW If he is but a figment, I never pay attention to him anyways...win/win situation.

Maybe god is waiting for us to proove ourselves
by praying for satan so that satan can be saved by
god and all evil abolished.

"....But watss trublin you..... is tha ...Nature of mah game ! "

I'm not sure what is worse. Once upon a time, it was fashionable to brand Mick Jagger as the quinessential antichrist. Now that the Rolling Stones have themselves become old, fat and wealthy, they may be more befitting of the title than before....yet nobody gives them a second thought. Gastric ReFlux may have a point in that But C.S. Lewis once wrote that Satans neatest trick was in convincing people that he did NOT exist. I do not pray for him for the simple reason that I do not know him. Praying for the people of India is easier than praying for one image on a Weather Channel typhoon video of a family picking up their scattered house after a typhoon. BTW I do not think that God or Satan have anything to do with that one...but even viewpoints as radical as contracycles would agree with me when I say that the Love of money IS the root of all evil. Mick Jagger made a lot of money off a bad boy image, but, as he found out at Altamont, true evil scares even him.
http://www.echoes.com/rememberaday/altamont.html
Check out this link and judge for yourselves the capability of evil to manifest and even personify an event/person/situation. I think it is more than just a bunch of drunk motorcyclists.This message has been edited by Phatboy, 09-09-2004 04:39 PM

Somewhat off topic, my great grandmother used to pray to Satan. She thought he was misunderstood. Of course, she was completely out of her mind by that point....

Rei! Wow, she's back!I hope this trait isn't inherited.

Phatboy Jim Jones of the peoples temple.Serial KillersRapistsCare to point out the money root on these?

uhhhhh! bunch of drunk motorcyclists? Oh, come on! They were Hell's Angels, a notorious brunch of very very dangerous, murdurous psychopaths. Yet, here's the thing. I hate the evil that psychopaths, like the Hell's Angels, and the Mafia do. But.. how much killing and murder, senseless suffering have all the mafia and motorcycle gangs perpetrated compared to the United States military and CIA?The CIA destabilized the ELECTED Government of CHILE and supported a violent military overthrow that installed a brutal military dictatorship. Oh, but us God Blessed super good guys only did it to protect Rich Capitalist and save the world from socialist. Keep the poor poor for God and Capitalism. So, who would Satan rather have champion him? The Mafia or the CIA?That is my bitter bitter sarcasm about the evils the US has forced on democratic societies such as Guatemala and Chile. How many in the US care? How many in the Government really care about the people, the muslims of Iraq, and how much do we care about oil, money, and big corporations?I worry much more about my government and the suffering it inflicts on peoples around the world by cynically manipulating economies and politics for the benefit of the very wealthy who buy votes and policy at the highest level, i.e. the Presidency, than I do Satan. Satan is hypothetical. The suffering in Guatamala and Chile, the torture way beyond what the Mafia deals in. But the people in power want you to be worrying about Satan so they can continue to fund and train torturers, sell land mines for huge profits and they have the money, they don't care about children having their legs blown off, losing arms and hands, no Capitalism worships money and those real men who have it, and selling death is as legitimate as the wealth makes it. But lets worry about Satan and his horns so the cynical leaders and shadow figures in the CIA, etc. can continue their power games with no one calling them are their vast very present real immorality and the suffering it inflicts.Phatboy, you are being duped. You are being fed distracting propaganda to keep your attention away from the real sources of suffering in this world.lfen

But what is it that causes these sources to behave badly? Wrong form of government? Too much time on their hands? Human nature? If that is so, I assert Original Sin.
Or could it be that you are in agreement with contracycle in that we merely need an evolved, pragmatic, classless government and then everyone will behave! I say....[NOT!] Christianity, abused by many throughout History, is still more of a belief of hope rather than a mere tool of capitalism. I could say that you may be duped by these liberal socialist profs that you have listened to. Getting back to the topic, Satan is not worthy of being prayed for...either as a real belief or an allegory. I would pray for my government, however. They need all the help they can get! BTW I would pray for those in power whom I disagree with.This message has been edited by Phatboy, 09-10-2004 05:23 AM

Holy crap!
I never realized the lyrics of that song.sideline, there is no such thing as Christian music, only lyrics.

The more I study the bible, the I realize that this whole thing is about the conflict between God and Satan.Satan's fate is sealed already. They exsist in a demension without time, so his choices have been made. We as humans must go through time to witness his fate. The bible tells us this. We have only 2 choices as we go through life, to side with God, or to side with the devil.To pray for Satan, or for an angel is useless. Whats even worse is to pray to, or for a saint, that is dead already. Jesus said we are all saints, lets pray for the ones who are alive, and need it.

Riverrat,Then God chose to create a universe in which he could struggle against an opponent power, so he created Satan as his opponent and uses human beings as the game pieces? Earth is then God and Satan's gameboard, only God knows from the beginning he will win, so how much fun is that to play?lfen