Gods Bible

Where did all that come from?That has nothing to do with Antiheros comment about the bible being smart.You obviously have issues, bless you.

I missed that. Where did he make that comment?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

From my keyboard. Are the questions too difficult? He never made this comment.The thread is about the origin and composition of the Bible, so what was the point in mentioning Jesus being smart? 'Obviously', I have issues when you are the one claiming that the Bible is 100% perfect then admit you haven't studied it! Get a life.Brian.

That implies that it is smart, whatever, sheeeeesh.

Because I understand antiheros comment about the bible being written by an intelligent person. I understand what he was trying to say.You on the other hand are just full of anger, and accomplish nothing. And you probably believe in the TOE, and do not know everthing about it, or all the evidences, correct?Don't be a hypocrite.

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but what are the chances that the bible was written by an intelligent person that had nothing to do

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It implies that the author(s) are smart/intelligent, not the Bible itself.Jesus didn't write any of the books in the Bible as far as I know.This message has been edited by purpledawn, 02-06-2005 09:04 AM

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

I don’t think you do actually understand what anti-hero was saying at all.How did you make the leap from ‘did an intelligent person write the Bible’ to ‘Jesus being smart’? How on earth did you come to this conclusion?Everyone who knows anything about the Bible knows it was written over a long period of time, by many different authors, and has been edited and re-edited countless times. We know it wasn’t written by an intelligent person, so how do you make the Jesus connection? I think you are the only one who has read his post that has misunderstood what he was saying. I am the most laid back person you could ever meet, I don’t get angry as it is a negative emotion. I have accomplished a fair bit. For example, you now know that you can no longer claim that the Bible is 100% perfect. I’d say that was quite an achievement on my part. Who said I was an evolutionist?I am not a scientist, so I do not make claims about science, to do so would be ignorant.Check back my posts if you want, you will find that I have probably posted less than a handful of messages that contain references to science and evolution.I recognise that I am not a scientist, so I know my limitations. When I see creationist after creationist make complete and utter fools of themselves on the science topics here, I am glad that I have the sense to keep to the topics I know something about. If creationsts thought the same way then a lot fewer people would think that the average creationist needs psychiatric help.Just like someone claiming that the Bible is 100% perfect when they haven’t studied it is ignorant. What are you on about?I made no claims for anything other than a subject that I know about, where is the hypocrisy?Do you have a clue about how the Bible came to be or not?Brian.

But he sure was quoted a lot.....

Unfortunately quotes are easy to write once the speaker is gone.

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He certainly was the poorest example of a messiah that ever lived.

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He was if you are looking at him from a political perspective as his contemporaries were. Nothing changed politically for the Jews upon his arrival or his death.However, if you look at him as a Messiah from the perspective that the Bible takes, then he could have been the only one to complete the mission because it would take God himself to perform the work that the mission required.If the real battle was a spiritual one, dealing with the rectifying of the human race to the Creator, then he accomplished that task. Since no amount of good works could ever remmit even the smallest transgression, let alone a sin, in perspective to an infinitly Holy God, only God could provide the remmitance.Jesus as the Messiah makes absoultly no sense if looked at from a worldly scale of economy as you demonstrate. If you study the Old Testament though, you will find Jesus leaping out in page after page in each book as a picture of him is painted in indivual brush strokes.

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If the real battle was a spiritual one, dealing with the rectifying of the human race to the Creator, then he accomplished that task.

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There's the kicker. "IF"Where does the OT show that the relationship between God and humans needed fixing or that the messiah's task was spiritual?

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

I could be wrong, sorry for assuming, but I really felt I knew what he was trying to say. Let's hear from him. No, I was the only one to not correct him. I didn't need to, 50 other people did already. It does not show at all.
Telling someone to get a life really doesn't lend itself to ebing "layed back". I have read the whole bible(but do not remember it completely, it has 3 million words in it). I do not see anything in it to be wrong. The few points that people like you try to prove wrong, really aren't proven at all, and are debatable.I have not taken theology, but I am planning to. So far in my life I find nothing incorrect about the bible. I just don't get all hung up on it, or do I make it a priority to go around screaming that it is correct or incorrect. Instead, I'd rather do what Jesus told us to, it works much better.Yes, I know how the bible came to be, and I also think I understand how it came to be mis-represented also.

I agree, but if he promised us things, and you followed what he said, and the promises came true, wouldn't that validate what he said?

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Where does the OT show that the relationship between God and humans needed fixing or that the messiah's task was spiritual?

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Before Adam ate the forbidden fruit, the Bible claims that God walked with man in the garden. It depicts an intimate relationship between the Creator and the creation. When God created Eve from Adam, it says that God brought her to him, again an intimate action.After the fall, God is still active in the lives of men, but seemingly at a distance as he comunions with man. He had to banish man from the garden and put a guard by the Tree of Life to stop anyone from eating from it.The Bible also says that the wages of sin is death, and it seems to be saying that the wages will be paid for services rendered.The great flood of the Old Testament also sheds some light on this in that instead of destroying the entire creation, he preserves it. Since it is not in the condiction that it was at the start, and he didn't destroy the whole thing, God is demonstrating that his will is to restore everything back.The easy part would be to just speak the natural back into it's pristine state, but the actions of the fall go way deeper then speaking something into existance. There is still a wage to be paid for sinning against an infinitly holy being, and what needs to be done is to determine who the check is made out to.In the Old Testatment economy, this sin wage is actually a punishment. So it makes no sense to create humans who are automatically damned to hell. So the Bible speaks of one who will receive the entire paycheck for all of the wages of sin earned on Earth so that not one human has to receive the due wage.This is the spiritual battle that I was refering to, and if this is the reason Jesus came to the Earth, he accomplished the mission. A wages of Sin Paycheck Receiving Messiah.In keeping with the doctrine of free will that is so important to God, just like in the garden, man is given a choice. In the Garden, eating from the tree of knowledge was forbidden and got you a sin wage. Now, not eating from the Tree of Life is the only act that will land you into eternal separation from God, according to the Bible. All of the other sins that have ever been committed or have yet to be commited have already been paid out.

I have studied it. Well, in reality, Jesus is invisible in the Old Testament.If YOU happen to ever study the Old Testament, and I mean study it not just parrot the boring old cliches, then you will discover how embarrassing it is to mention Jesus and the Old Testament in the same breath.Take a college course or two then get back to me.Cheers.Brian.