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crashfrog
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Message 10 of 24 (62463)
10-23-2003 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Quetzal
12-06-2002 10:22 AM


I think this should be a lesson about trying to infer the existence of things from inanimate objects. Only presence can be inferred, not existence.

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crashfrog
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Message 12 of 24 (62951)
10-26-2003 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Quetzal
10-24-2003 1:58 AM


After all, we infer the existence of many things from inanimate objects. Stonehenge being an example.
I guess what I'm saying is, the existence of Stonehenge would not be sufficient on its own for some alien biologist to infer the existence of the human species. We can infer that humans built it, because we have independant evidence for the existence of humans - i.e. we are them. Stonehenge is sufficient to infer the presence of humans near Salisbury, England, but not the existence of the whole human race in total. Similarly trying to infer the existence of god from what might be termed his "creation" is fallacious. However if we could independantly infer the existence of God through other means - direct observation, for instance - then the presence of God could be inferred from his creation.
In short the only reason that we infer Mount Rushmore was carved by humans is because we know independantly that humans exist, and that we carve.
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crashfrog
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Message 17 of 24 (85019)
02-10-2004 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by CreationMan
02-10-2004 10:53 AM


Actually Scientifically, unless scientists could look over ever inch of the earth at the same time and see that no dinos exist, only then could we say that they are "extinct" but it is because of evolutionary ideas that we are lead to believe that they don't exist.
Funny then, that two things are true:
1) People with cameras live all over the Earth, on every continent, and yet nobody has any pictures of dinosaurs.
2) Scientists concluded that dinosaurs represented an extinct taxa of organisms before Charles Darwin published The Origin of Species.
How could scientists make a conclusion based on "evolutionary ideas" before those ideas had been published?
"The Fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'"
I know that's your signature, and it seems like it's the 3rd time I've quoted this part of the Bible in as many days, but:
quote:
But I say to you ... whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire. - Matthew 5:22
God sayz: Ease up on the name-calling, or else.

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