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Author Topic:   Unethical practices in Evangelism. What is the value of the conversions?
purpledawn
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Message 44 of 105 (329439)
07-06-2006 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by deerbreh
07-06-2006 2:58 PM


Does it Stick?
The OP doesn't really present this as a discussion of whether evangelism is good or bad, but more about when deceit or misrepresentation is used.
I admit I do not particularly like evangelism. I find it presumptuous, and insulting.
However, there are some evangelistic efforts that are much more irritating and unethical than the average effort. What is the value of a conversion if it is based on lies and deceit?
Does the ends justify the means??
It reminds me of what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 9:
9:20-22
To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some.
So it seems to be one of Paul's tactics. I don't see that type of tactic associated with Jesus though.
Even though deception was used when approaching the person, there has to be some point at which the person knows he/she is being spoken to concerning Christianity. At the time they convert, they know what choice they are making. We aren't talking about the Spanish Inquisition where the choice is convert or die.
I would think the validity would be determined by whether the conversion sticks or not.
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I have always thought that evangelism of children can get very manipulative and in the long run, be harmful.
That's where it is the parents job to watch over who their children interact with so they aren't deceived or manipulated.

"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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purpledawn
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Message 48 of 105 (329530)
07-07-2006 6:05 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Jon
07-07-2006 5:25 AM


Re: Does it Stick?
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Eventually though, the brainwashing is too much. A well-trained converter can brainwash his prey without it noticing. If this is accomplished, then it's no different that convincing an old lady to innocently sign away her house to the credit card company.
There's a big difference between changing religions and signing over your house.
Ramoss doesn't seem to be talking about cults, which do seem to brainwash and do some extreme fleecing.
He's talking about converting Jews to Christianity through deception.
Even if you feel a person was "brainwashed", is the conversion valid? Would God accept a manipulated decision?
I don't feel that Jesus or the writers of the NT suggested strong arm tactics. Paul seemed to use a bit of deception, but did he pressure people? His writings don't give me that impression.

"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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