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Author Topic:   Free will: an illusion
rgb
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Message 5 of 309 (321581)
06-14-2006 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Heathen
06-14-2006 4:56 PM


Define free will.

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Message 11 of 309 (321599)
06-14-2006 8:49 PM
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06-14-2006 8:39 PM


Does this definition of free will also include eternal damnation if we didn't use our free will to believe?

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Message 18 of 309 (321619)
06-14-2006 9:51 PM
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06-14-2006 9:07 PM


Re: Speaking as a Christian and xian.
Jar, your answer is great. But let's be honest, you're not the typical christian, not to mention right wing. As a matter of fact, many christians would label you as a damned.

Question to other christians. Does free will include eternal damnation for not choosing to believe?


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rgb
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Message 47 of 309 (321682)
06-15-2006 1:09 AM


Question directed at christians not like jar
Does free will include eternal damnation for those that chose to not believe?

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rgb
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Message 50 of 309 (321689)
06-15-2006 1:13 AM
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06-15-2006 1:11 AM


Re: Topic = Freewill
Could you elaborate on that, please?

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Message 52 of 309 (321691)
06-15-2006 1:17 AM
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06-15-2006 1:13 AM


Re: Question directed at christians not like jar
Perhaps I should elaborate.

First of all, look up the word "impale" and "impalement" on google.

Say that I am the dark prince Dracula. I give you two glasses of wine, one red and one blue. I tell you that you have a choice of either drinking out of one or the other, but not both. However, if you choose to drink the blue glass, I will impale you alive. But if you drink out of the red glass, I will give you money.

In such situation, have I given you "free will"?

Edited by rgb, : No reason given.


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Message 55 of 309 (321699)
06-15-2006 1:35 AM
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06-15-2006 1:26 AM


Re: Question directed at christians not like jar
Thank you for answering the question.

Any other christian who wants to take a stab at this?


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rgb
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Message 64 of 309 (321717)
06-15-2006 2:35 AM
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06-15-2006 1:38 AM


Re: CAKE OR DEATH!
"Spider dude" writes
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but you are right in that it doesn't make god appear to be very fair.

Hey, I never said that.

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rgb
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Message 85 of 309 (321889)
06-15-2006 1:14 PM
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06-15-2006 1:17 AM


Re: Question directed at christians not like jar
Myself writes
quote:
First of all, look up the word "impale" and "impalement" on google.

Say that I am the dark prince Dracula. I give you two glasses of wine, one red and one blue. I tell you that you have a choice of either drinking out of one or the other, but not both. However, if you choose to drink the blue glass, I will impale you alive. But if you drink out of the red glass, I will give you money.

In such situation, have I given you "free will"?


Again, does free will include eternal damnation for those that chose not to believe? One "real" christian has already answered. I'm sure there are more than one here. Any other taker?


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Message 118 of 309 (322069)
06-15-2006 10:34 PM
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06-15-2006 9:34 PM


Re: Suspending Disbelief
Iano, do you practice being vague? Most of your posts at best give hints of what you want us to think your stance is, but as soon as someone tries to reiterate what he thinks you want us to think what you think, you simply say that that's not what you think.

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