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Free will: an illusion

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crashfrog
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Message 25 of 309 (321646)
06-14-2006 11:07 PM 		Reply to: Message 23 by mjfloresta
06-14-2006 10:55 PM

Re: No Proof?
Just to let you know - the Bible? Fake. The stuff that it's in it, about what God and Jesus did? Didn't happen.
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So, to say "we know God exists because His Word tells us He does" doesn't make any sense - anybody can write a book that says "God exists." There's just as much evidence that the Bible was written by God as there is for God itself - that is to say, absolutely none at all.
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But the Bible doesn't seem to be on topic here.
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Message 30 of 309 (321653)
06-14-2006 11:19 PM 		Reply to: Message 27 by mjfloresta
06-14-2006 11:15 PM

Re: No Proof?
.and if the Bible is in fact true and therefore God has revealed himself to man...how can it be said that he hasn't?
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This is supposed to be an argument? Let me turn it around on you - if God has not revealed himself to man and the Bible is in fact not true, how can it be said that it is?
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People can say all kinds of things. It's what can be supported that is important.
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what criteria would you set in order to believe God's (or a god's) revelation to man?
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God existing. That would be a start.
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crashfrog
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06-14-2006 11:48 PM 		Reply to: Message 31 by mjfloresta
06-14-2006 11:46 PM

Re: No Proof?
Let's try that again..what proof would be sufficient to you that God exists?
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Again, his existence. If God actually existed there really wouldn't be any question about it. But this isn't the topic of the thread.
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crashfrog
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06-15-2006 12:17 AM 		Reply to: Message 36 by mjfloresta
06-15-2006 12:13 AM

Re: No Proof?
Why don't you look up the thread where we discussed this exact subject?
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06-15-2006 12:23 AM 		Reply to: Message 39 by mjfloresta
06-15-2006 12:22 AM

Re: No Proof?
It's probably called "what would be proof of god?" or something.
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crashfrog
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Message 146 of 309 (322266)
06-16-2006 12:21 PM 		Reply to: Message 145 by iano
06-16-2006 12:17 PM

Re: Suspending Disbelief
A machine doesn't ask the question. That which designed it does.
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I'm on the fence about free will, I guess. I don't see it as a terribly important question.
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But let me ask you this - do you percieve a difference between causing the coin to flip, and causing the coin to flip heads? Casinos do, I would imagine.
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