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Rrhain
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Message 35 of 181 (501838)
03-08-2009 4:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
03-07-2009 9:10 AM


31 here.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 37 of 181 (501840)
03-08-2009 4:23 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by subbie
03-07-2009 8:43 PM


What I'd like to know from subbie is:

What was the question you didn't have a pure reaction to? In order to get a 21, you'd have to answer +4 or -4 to all the questions but one which was answered either +3 or -3, depending.

Which one was it?

Edited by Rrhain, : Realizing that I didn't actually indicate who I was talking to.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 52 of 181 (501945)
03-08-2009 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Modulous
03-08-2009 12:20 PM


Modulous writes:

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The scale under question only measures Right Wing Authoritarianism. While it is presumably true that LWAs would score low on this scale, it doesn't follow that scoring low makes you an LWA. You would have to also score high on an LWA scale.

I think you need to go back and read the paper. His use of "right" is not the political "right." Rather, it is the use of "right" as in "correct," "proper," "expected." Following "liberal" leaders is just as much "RWA" as following "conservative" leaders. It's just a question of what the status quo is.

His use of "left" is more to do with upsetting the status quo, the revolutionaries. Thus, those who are trying to destroy authority would score high on an "LWA" test. His comments are that there aren't any LWA's left and when they do exist, they tend to bicker amongst themselves.

In North America people who submit to the established authorities to extraordinary degrees often turn out to be political conservatives, 2 so you can call them “right-wingers” both in my new-fangled psychological sense and in the usual political sense as well. But someone who lived in a country long ruled by Communists and who ardently supported the Communist Party would also be one of my psychological right-wing authoritarians even though we would also say he was a political left-winger. So a right-wing authoritarian follower doesn’t necessarily have conservative political views. Instead he’s someone who readily submits to the established authorities in society, attacks others in their name, and is highly conventional. It’s an aspect of his personality, not a description of his politics. Rightwing authoritarianism is a personality trait, like being characteristically bashful or happy or grumpy or dopey.

You could have left-wing authoritarian followers as well, who support a revolutionary leader who wants to overthrow the establishment. I knew a few in the 1970s, Marxist university students who constantly spouted their chosen authorities, Lenin or Trotsky or Chairman Mao. Happily they spent most of their time fighting with each other, as lampooned in Monty Python’s Life of Brian where the People’s Front of Judea devotes most of its energy to battling, not the Romans, but the Judean People’s Front. But the left-wing authoritarians on my campus disappeared long ago. Similarly in America “the Weathermen” blew away in the wind. I’m sure one can find left-wing authoritarians here and there, but they hardly exist in sufficient numbers now to threaten democracy in North America. However I have found bucketfuls of right-wing authoritarians in nearly every sample I have drawn in Canada and the United States for the past three decades. So when I speak of “authoritarian followers” in this book I mean right-wing authoritarian followers, as identified by the RWA scale.

Thus, it is a coincidence that RWAs tend to be politically conservative, but it doesn't have to be that way.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 74 of 181 (567634)
07-02-2010 2:26 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Coyote
07-01-2010 11:24 PM


Coyote writes:

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Even though they are in the minority

Hold it right there. You are confusing labels for positions, and they are not the same thing.

Yes, more people label themselves "conservative" compared to "liberal." But if you actually go down the line of positions (environmental protections, consumer rights, abortion rights, etc.), you find that people are actually more likely to be liberal rather than conservative.

It's this disconnect between the label and the position that allows "conservative" people to scream, "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!" and be completely oblivious to the fact that Medicare is exactly what they're hyperventilating over: Government-run healthcare. It's why we continually see people voting against their own interests: Despite the fact that the economy has always performed better under Democratic administrations than Republican ones, we have this vision that Republicans are "fiscally responsible" while Democrats are "tax and spend."

Do not confuse the words people use to describe themselves with their actual behaviour.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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