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Percy
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Message 1 of 35 (6)
12-30-2000 8:38 PM


I've opened this topic to transition it from the old club to the new, now take it away!
--Percy

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08-11-2001 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by tgamble
08-10-2001 12:19 PM


I'm curious how much people still perceive Creationism as a threat to public school science education. It seems as if Creationism, at least as publicly expressed on the Internet, has undergone a seachange away from strict literalism and toward ID.
This may have had the effect of blunting the efforts of organizations like ICR and CRS to promote old-style Creationism through lobbying of school boards. Does it look this way to anyone else?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 12 of 35 (306)
08-11-2001 3:10 PM
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08-11-2001 10:49 AM


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John Paul writes:
But if we look at the Creationists' version of biological evolution, I posit it is just as scientific as the accepted paradigm.

What definition of science are you using?
quote:
The main differences in the two are the starting points (...single celled organisms vs. the "Created Kinds"), the direction (..."simple to complex" vs. variations within the "Kinds") and the extent (unlimited vs. limited).
One incorporates revealed knowledge from supernatural sources into theory, the other relies solely upon information gathered from the natural world. Once you open the door to the supernatural don't you have to also admit not only Islam, Hindu and Buddhism, but also ghosts, astrology and pyramid power? What criteria would you apply when deciding which sources of revealed knowledge are acceptable?
--Percy
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Percy
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Message 13 of 35 (307)
08-11-2001 3:30 PM
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08-11-2001 12:26 PM


Kansas is a good example, and I know the YEC movement is still strong. Duane Gish's rolling road show came through a nearby town and few years ago and a local pastor introduced an equal time proposal to their school board. It didn't pass, but what an uproar from the secular side. You'd a thought they were inviting the devil himself into science classrooms.
But what prompted my question is what feels to me like a gradual change in the way Creationism is expressed on the Internet at discussion boards. These used to get a lot of traffic about the depth of lunar dust, the diminishing magnetic field, hydrologic sorting and so forth. You hardly ever see that anymore - it seems to be a pretty heavy ID slant now.
So I'm wondering if all the attention given to ID is having an impact on efforts to move Creationism into public schools. Used to be that conservative school board members had only their own Biblical interpretation to work with, but these days they've likely at least heard of ID, and some may be pretty familiar with it. How receptive would a conservative Christian school board member be to adding YEC to the curriculum when he's at least minimally aware of ID arguments that include an ancient earth and ancienter universe? Same question for state boards of education who formulate textbook standards.
--Percy

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