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Author Topic:   The C.C.O.I. (Christian Cult Of Ignorance) and Willful Ignorance
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Message 273 of 675 (715957)
01-10-2014 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 270 by Thugpreacha
01-09-2014 9:37 AM


Re: how does a good parent help?
Phat writes:

One mans blessing is another mans enabler.


And conversely, one man's enabler is another man's blessing. Your spare change might enable that homeless guy to get high or it might enable him to get to a job interview. Are you his parent to decide for him or are you his brother to let him take responsibility?

Does God pay your dental bills for you?


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Message 316 of 675 (719234)
02-12-2014 11:09 AM
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02-12-2014 10:22 AM


Re: The Franchise
Phat writes:

I do tend to look at God as having so much more than any of us have...thus why can't He be generous?


There was a flood coming but the little old lady was secure in her faith. Water ran down the street and a policeman offered to take her to higher ground but she believed God would take care of her. Water flooded the ground floor, she had to move upstairs and a boat came to the window to take her away but she believed God would take care of her. The water continued to rise, she had to crawl up onto the roof and a helicopter came to lift her off but she believed God would take care of her. Eventually she drowned and when she got to heaven she was bewildered. "I always believed God would take care of me."

God said, "I sent a policeman, I sent a boat, I sent a helicopter...."

Maybe the help you need is there but you're too intent on your faith to recognize it.


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Message 319 of 675 (719926)
02-19-2014 11:13 AM
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02-18-2014 12:20 PM


Re: The Franchise
Phat writes:

To me, church is not a classroom where folks question what they believe--its a place where folks share their belief. Besides...I am unsure at this point what it is exactly that I believe...


How can you share it if you don't know what it is?

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Message 322 of 675 (719936)
02-19-2014 11:28 AM
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02-19-2014 11:25 AM


Re: Believe It or Not
Ringo writes:

Mr. Ringo---as an agnostic, do you still leave a line of communication open should God ever decide to call you?


Isn't God capable of ringing the phone even when it's off the hook?

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Message 325 of 675 (720101)
02-20-2014 10:55 AM
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02-19-2014 11:43 AM


Re: Believe It or Not
ringo writes:

Of course. God could force everyone to acknowledge His presence but it is said that the Spirit is a perfect gentleman.


"It is said" by humans - who are no more likely to be right than I am.

Phat writes:

Perhaps the bigger question is whether or not you would recognize the ringtone when He did call you.


You can ask yourself that same question: Is the phone ringing or is it all in your head?

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Message 329 of 675 (729613)
06-15-2014 3:34 PM
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06-15-2014 10:38 AM


Re: From another closed topic
Phat writes:

Are you suggesting that the closer we are to claiming to understand GOD, the less it makes GOD out to be?


I would suggest that people who claim to understand God often seem to understand less than the av-er-age bear.

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Message 331 of 675 (729616)
06-15-2014 4:21 PM
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06-15-2014 4:06 PM


Re: From another closed topic
quote:
Romans 1:22-23 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Claiming to understand God or to commune with God is pretty much like idolatry.

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Message 405 of 675 (742369)
11-19-2014 11:12 AM
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11-18-2014 7:05 PM


Re: Are people really becoming more moral?
Phat writes:

Modern warfare is more horrific and attrocious than anything in Pauls day.


From a moral standpoint, I don't think that's true. Technology has made the body count higher but people seem to feel worse about doing it. For example, we don't butcher prisoners wholesale like the Old Testament prescribes; we consider it a war crime.

Phat writes:

quote:
2 Tim 3:1-5 writes:
There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God- 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power.

Can anyone argue that this does not describe the life on the streets in any large modern city?


Name a time in history when it hasn't been true.

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Message 432 of 675 (742457)
11-20-2014 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 424 by Faith
11-19-2014 6:01 PM


Re: An interesting example of women speaking during a service.
Faith writes:

The Messiah was known to the Jews through prophecy throughout their history, they never heard of Mohammed or Allah and repudiate them to this day.


They also repudiate Jesus to this day.

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Message 563 of 675 (745235)
12-20-2014 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 559 by Thugpreacha
12-19-2014 12:49 PM


Re: Random Philosophy With Jar
Phat writes:

Ringo goes so far as to suggest that satan was given a bad rap. After all, according to some hypothetical stuff that humans made up, Lucifer started a war in heaven. Got beat down and sent to earth. Showed up as a talking snake.


To be clear, the Satan in the Bible is like the Big Bad Wolf in those other fairy tales. The Big Bad Wolf who tried to eat Little Red Riding Hood was not the same Big Bad Wolf as the one who tried to eat the Three Pigs. After all, they both got killed.

Similarly, the Satan who tested Job was not necessarily the same Satan as the one who tempted Jesus. In another story, Satan's role was given to a snake (apparently it was the regular Satan's day of rest).

Satan is a plot device, not an entity. He represents the bad side of us. Interactions with him represent the conflicts within us. There was no historical "war in heaven". There is only a perpetual conflict within us between our good impulses and our bad impulses.


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Message 565 of 675 (745379)
12-22-2014 11:02 AM
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12-21-2014 10:27 AM


Re: Random Philosophy With Jar
Phat writes:

Metaphorically, the lives lived and the characters were actual people.


Metaphorically, yes. Historically, no.

Phat writes:

Once you explain Adolf Hitler, or Andrew Jackson, the massacre of innocents, satan becomes more than a plot device.


Using Satan as an explanation for Hitler is just hypocritical. Hitler was an example of what our own evil side can accomplish. Hitler's minions were ordinary people just like you and me. If you want to learn anything from history, the first thing you have to do is throw away excuses like Satan.

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Message 571 of 675 (759301)
06-10-2015 3:37 PM
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06-10-2015 1:42 AM


Re: Random Philosophy With Jar(& Ringo)
Phat writes:

... you critics wish to construct a scenario whereby you perpetually have the right and ability to deny gods (potential) omnipotence or all knowings.


It's neither a right nor an ability; it's a responsibility.

Phat writes:

... the real battle is in our minds...whether we will submit to a higher power or whether we ourselves insist on the responsibility and consequence of being our own power.


Again, it has nothing to do with "submitting to a higher power". Whether there is a higher power or not, whether there is a tempter or not, we are responsible for our own actions.

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Message 577 of 675 (762156)
07-09-2015 11:57 AM
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07-09-2015 11:18 AM


Re: Random Philosophy With Jar
Phat writes:

I believe that Jesus is alive today.


Is he alive in the sense of a bacterium or alive in the sense of a virus? Or maybe he's alive in the sense that English is a living language, as opposed to Latin which is a more-or-less dead language?

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Message 589 of 675 (762279)
07-10-2015 12:00 PM
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07-09-2015 1:55 PM


Re: Jesus is alive
Faith writes:

He's alive in the sense that He is actually alive and sitting at the right hand of the Father in heaven;


That's a tautology: He's alive in the sense that He's alive. Is he biologically alive?

Faith writes:

and He's alive in the sense that sometimes we are blessed enough to experience His presence and to receive both indirect and direct communications from Him.


The same could be said of Shakespeare.

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Message 592 of 675 (762355)
07-11-2015 12:11 PM
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07-11-2015 1:52 AM


Re: Jesus is alive
Phat writes:

The same could be said of anyone...but most often is said about jesus.


I don't think that's true. In your experience, Jesus may be the one who seems "most alive".

Phat writes:

Are that many people unsure about what they feel or experience?


I hope so. Being too sure of yourself - especially about things that can not be verified - is a dangerous thing.

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