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Author Topic:   The C.C.O.I. (Christian Cult Of Ignorance) and Willful Ignorance
Theodoric
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Message 215 of 675 (637514)
10-16-2011 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by Chuck77
10-16-2011 12:43 AM


Re: Poe's law
I don't think you understand Poe's Law.

In the words of Inigo Montoya.

In order for this to be a Poe Jar would have to sound like you. A fundie. If any posts could be interpreted as Poe's yours could.

quote:
Poe’s Law states: “Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humour, it is impossible to create a parody of fundamentalism that someone won't mistake for the real thing.”

Source

As Jar has never sounded like a fundie his posts do not qualify as a Poe. Yours on the other hand...

BTW Poe's law is without smilies not with.

As has been stated to you numerous times you might want to understand a subject before you post on it.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 307 of 675 (716594)
01-19-2014 1:23 PM
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01-18-2014 7:46 PM


Re: What Works?
So you want magic?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 336 of 675 (729668)
06-16-2014 6:16 PM
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06-16-2014 5:37 PM


Re: From another closed topic
Do you not see where there are reports of men who knew GOD well?

Yes and I have seen reports of flying saucers, loch ness monster, sasquatch and tea partiers with critical thinking skills.

Reports are not evidence of existence. You need to look at the evidence that comes with the reports to see if it is credible. So far none of the above or men that knew some god well are credible.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 379 of 675 (742302)
11-18-2014 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 374 by Taq
11-18-2014 4:56 PM


Re: An interesting example of women speaking during a service.
That is a point I try to always bring up. There was no "Golden Age". If anything the present is the "Golden Age".

There was never a time of hyper morality that people like Faith harken back to. Morality and quality of life continues to change and improve every generation. So far.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 380 of 675 (742303)
11-18-2014 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 376 by Faith
11-18-2014 5:16 PM


Re: An interesting example of women speaking during a service.
I applaud Christine Wieck for her courage. She's lost husband and children recently because she refused to compromise on gay marriage and other "liberal" causes.

Did I miss something? How did gay marriage force her to lose her husband and children?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 413 of 675 (742384)
11-19-2014 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 387 by Thugpreacha
11-18-2014 7:05 PM


Re: Are people really becoming more moral?
Modern warfare is more horrific and attrocious than anything in Pauls day.

You need to study some history. Please explain how you think warfare is more atrocious and horrific. Do you know anything about ancient warfare?

The typical Westerner is a hedonist.

Give examples? Define being a hedonist? Are people hedonists because they don't suffer all the time as in years past? Why is pleasure a bad thing? Your particular brand of religions seems to be coloring your reality.

Can anyone argue that this does not describe the life on the streets in any large modern city?

I gave spent time in Boston, Chicago, NYC and Minneapolis in the last year. I did not see any of this. As a matter of fact people are more courteous and friendly than I have seen in years past. You see what you want to see. Open your eyes to the good in people. If you and Faith want to see the end of times and the worst in people that is what you will see. A self fulfilling prophecy. Get rid of your self loathing, accept yourself and other people for what you and they are. You will see much more good in the world and much in the world worth working to improve.

Or you can retreat, scared, into your own little cocoon and wait for the world to come to an end. In my view that is waste of time and a life. The world is not coming to an end, but we all need to work to improve it.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 414 of 675 (742385)
11-19-2014 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 407 by Thugpreacha
11-19-2014 11:15 AM


Re: Open Mouth Insert Foot
How could you have faith in something you could not see and could not test for evidence?

Faith by definition is something you can not see or test for evidence. Faith is a belief without proof. That is why it is faith and not evidence.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 415 of 675 (742386)
11-19-2014 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 409 by Thugpreacha
11-19-2014 11:33 AM


Re: Open Mouth Insert Foot
For someone who does not believe, this seems like quite an emotional response. Why the hatred for God and Jesus? I could understand you being angry at religion...but we both know that religion is all about humans trying to reach God or trying to sell Him for their own prophet.(sic)

You miss the point completely. I have no belief in a god. If there was one, he would in no way be worthy of worship. It isn't an emotional response, there is no anger, no hatred so please do not try to impute such emotions on me. If this existence was created by and controlled by a god then a piss poor, vile, evil god he would be. But as I have no belief there is it is not much of a point to consider and certainly nothing to waste emotions on.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 419 of 675 (742405)
11-19-2014 3:28 PM
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11-19-2014 1:51 PM


Re: An interesting example of women speaking during a service.
The god of your genesis is Elohim. It has the same root that Allah is derived from. So it is the same word.

Yahweh is the regional national god of the Israelite people. Just one of many gods that were believed in at the time. As a matter of fact in the bible that god is also referred to as Yahweh Elohim.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 440 of 675 (742485)
11-20-2014 2:04 PM
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11-20-2014 11:26 AM


Re: Open Mouth Insert Foot
However, they are consistent in saying that they walked, talked, touched and even ate with Jesus and that He was in some sense physical, but it was a renewed physicality.

There are no first hand accounts from anyone as pertains to Jesus. The earliest writings are from Paul and he makes no mention of a physical Jesus. The earliest stories that talk of a physical christ are the gospels. They date from 70CE at the very earliest. There is no consistency between any of the gospels and nothing in them to show that they are an actual history.
There can be no doubt that the first Jesus followers became Jesus followers because of the firm conviction that Jesus had died and come out the other side in a renewed physicality. They built there whole theology around that belief.

Yes there is doubt. Christianity probably started as a mystery religion. The earliest christian writings talk about the secrets and mysteries. Paul does not talk about the physical christ he talks about the spiritual Christ. Everything he has learned ahs been from revelation directly from Jesus Christ. He makes it clear he ahs not learned about Jesus from any other person but solely from revelation.
Well if the resurrected Jesus just reappeared in the same way that others have experiences of visions of loved ones who have died then once again we simply have another failed messiah. It makes Jesus simply a well meaning crank.

Or it makes it all just a myth.
Richard Carrier discusses this here
http://www.strangenotions.com/...ng-the-historicity-of-jesus
His book on the subject
On the Historicity of Jesus
Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 443 of 675 (742493)
11-20-2014 4:12 PM
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11-20-2014 2:34 PM


Re: Just read and believe the Bible for a change
The gospels certainly preceded 70 AD because the temple was still standing.

No. The gospels clearly show that the temple was not standing when they were written. Provide evidence for prior to 70 CE.

Faith nothing you state here is based on evidence. As a matter of fact they are the opposite of evidence. Everything you state is based on faith and hearsay. Not evidence.

I have read at least 4 versions of the bible. It is not believable. It does not stand up to scrutiny or historical facts. Maybe you should read something critical of the bible so that you can understand the arguments you are protesting about. You can not argue for something until you understand the argument against. If you do not even look at the counter argument you are being dishonest and accepting things without evidence. You beleive because you want to believe.

There isn't the slightest resemblance between Christianity and the mystery religions, it's Jewish to the core.

No it is not Jewish. It uses Jewish mythology but it is not Jewish. You might actually want to understand mystery religions before you make such a blanket statement. Paul's writings of inner secrets and mysterys clearly align with greek and roman mystery religions.

The gospel writers WERE eyewitnesses to Jesus.

There is no evidence for this and plenty that they were not. We do not even know who wrote the gospels.

They recognized His fulfillment of the Hebrew prophecies.

The gospels were so poorly written that we can see where they made up the stories of christ to fit the translation of the hebrew scriptures they were using. Mistranslations and not understanding jewish scriptures made them write stories that bastardized the prophecies into something they actually were not.

You have to turn everything into a lie to believe such garbage as you believe. But the whole world is going toward the Big Lie. However, the simple truth is still accessible in the Bible for anybody who has a simple honest heart.

There is no contemporary historical evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ. There is absolutely no evidence independent of the bible.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 446 of 675 (742497)
11-20-2014 6:33 PM
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11-20-2014 5:58 PM


Re: Just read and believe the Bible for a change
Who wrote the gospels? Evidence please. What else did they write? Please show me evidence of their lives.
When does the earliest extant copy date from?
Ever hear of textual criticism and higher criticism? We know every gospel has gone through many revisions and had multiple authors. Paul dis not right everything attributed to him. A lot are forgeries.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 455 of 675 (742535)
11-21-2014 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 447 by Faith
11-20-2014 6:55 PM


Re: Just read and believe the Bible for a change
Well of course you have not provided any answers to any of my questions. Why do you beliefs trump experts and scholarship?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 458 of 675 (742539)
11-21-2014 10:22 AM
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11-21-2014 9:46 AM


Re: Just read and believe the Bible for a change
Still waiting for you to answer the questions I asked.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 470 of 675 (742562)
11-22-2014 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 469 by Faith
11-21-2014 9:57 PM


read it not impressed
It is just bronze age tales, not impressed, very derivative. And not very original. Been there, done that, have the t shirt.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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