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Author Topic:   The C.C.O.I. (Christian Cult Of Ignorance) and Willful Ignorance
Jon
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Message 231 of 675 (637797)
10-18-2011 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by jar
10-17-2011 5:02 PM


Re: What God expects
A God with foreknowledge isn't hard to imagine, and it doesn't pose all too many problems.

Depending on how else we define God, the problems it does pose may be unacceptable to some. Others may not care.

Jon


Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 251 of 675 (637905)
10-18-2011 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by jar
10-18-2011 9:00 AM


Re: What God does.
But God cannot know that Its knowledge is so perfect.

Would it be more evil for God to assume It has perfect knowledge and only create heaven-bound folk, thus denying the potential to prove It wrong to all the folk it thinks will be hell-bound; or, for God to simply create all creatures it plans on creating without respect to whether or not It thinks they will be hell- or heaven-bound?

Since 'good' and 'evil' are relative terms that only have meaning to moralistic individuals—and for humans are even different from one person to the next—, I think it is not likely you can define 'God' in such a way that It won't be found evil by someone.

You think Phat's God is evil. Phat thinks your God is heartless.

But is either of you right?

Jon

Edited by Jon, : clarity


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Message 344 of 675 (741425)
11-12-2014 10:32 AM
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11-12-2014 10:13 AM


Re: Choice Or Nah?
If someone knows what their sibling is going to say before they say it, does that take away from their sibling's free will to say what they want to say (or not)?

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Jon
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Message 351 of 675 (741590)
11-13-2014 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 346 by Phat
11-12-2014 10:56 AM


Re: Choice Or Nah?
If those christians who believe that God desires a sort of spiritual communion with us are correct, it would follow that such a God should not interfere with the outcome of human lives through the action of creation...specifically creative foreknowledge.

Do you believe God desires a 'sort of spiritual communion'?

To be fair to free will, however, humans would also have to have a decision to reject Gods offer of communion.

Before we can choose to accept or reject the communion, we have to be able to know what it is that's trying to commune with us.

How do we distinguish?


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Jon
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Message 354 of 675 (741693)
11-13-2014 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 352 by Phat
11-13-2014 4:45 PM


Re: Knowing God & Knowing Ourselves
Jon writes:

Do you believe God desires a 'sort of spiritual communion'?

Yes.

Okay.

So, you believe that 'God should not interfere with the outcome of human lives through the action of creation'? In other words, you think God should stop creating, correct?

jon writes:

Before we can choose to accept or reject the communion, we have to be able to know what it is that's trying to commune with us.

Yes, I agree.

I'm glad you agree.

But now you need to show just how you determine what it is that's trying to commune with us.

Is it God directing our lives to a better purpose?

Is it Satan wishing to mislead us into sin?

Is it today's burrito telling us to have a salad next time?

What is it and how do we know?

I believe that knowing God is a lifelong endeavor.

When does it end, then? How do we know it has ended? When it does end, how do we know we traveled the God path and not the burrito path?

Edited by Jon, : No reason given.


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