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Author Topic:   EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed - Science Under Attack
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Message 9 of 438 (443821)
12-26-2007 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by jar
12-26-2007 2:52 PM


Re: Should be good for a laugh.
jar

You have to admire the freudian irony of having a comedian champion the science behind creationism. :rolleyes:


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Message 34 of 438 (444226)
12-28-2007 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Taz
12-27-2007 6:36 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
Taz

Well, we always have Canada to immigrate to if push comes to shove.

I used to worry about the takeover of Canada by the US one day if they got desperate enough for our resources.Now I know the likelihood is they could not find the place if they were told to just head north and keep going.


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Message 39 of 438 (444419)
12-29-2007 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Hyroglyphx
12-28-2007 7:23 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
Nemesis
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ID is theologically neutral. It just says that it seems possible that the universe was intelligently designed, as opposed to nothingness creating everything

AH but there lies the rub NJ. In the fields of science you must appreciate that the point is not whether something is possible or not but whether it is going on or not.
Since intelligence is claimed science requires that it not simply be possible but that it is shown to occur in fact.


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Message 64 of 438 (444692)
12-30-2007 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by tesla
12-30-2007 12:15 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
tesla

let me propose that God is in effect: existence.

That merely redirects the problem tesla. Now you must define existence.


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Message 66 of 438 (444695)
12-30-2007 12:38 PM
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12-30-2007 12:35 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
tesla

And then you must explain in what effect existence can substitute for God


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Message 68 of 438 (444701)
12-30-2007 1:11 PM
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12-30-2007 12:41 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
tesla

it wouldn't be a "substitution" it would be a definition.

But the term God has historically never been applied to mere existence but to the mystery "behind" existence. As such it has been subjugated to being a condition separate from existence. By stating that God is in effect defined as existence you are narrowing the focus down to phenomena and deciding that the supernatural aspect{ God's separation from existence} is not applicable.

I am not sure that this will find acceptance in religious circles since it circumvents the established doctrine, and it is hardly science to assign a new name to existence by equating the term God
with the same meaning since it adds no knowledge to our understanding.


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Message 70 of 438 (444703)
12-30-2007 1:22 PM
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12-30-2007 1:15 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
tesal

Nah.I will wait until you finish the debate and they open up comment to the rest of us and we will go it form there.


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