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Author Topic:   EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed - Science Under Attack
nwr
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Message 41 of 438 (444433)
12-29-2007 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Hyroglyphx
12-27-2007 5:16 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
Have you ever honestly read a piece written by an avowed ID'ist? Its not exactly idiotic.
Nobody seems to have given an adequate response, so I am dropping back in after a long inactive period.
I cannot see anything in the cited article other than a "God of the gaps" pleading.
My summary: The author sees an apparent gap, and so chooses to plunk god (as the intelligent designer) in that gap.
Okay, I am not myself a biologist. It is my impression that most biologists don't agree that there is any real gap. The area pointed to is a topic of investigation, and some of the citations in the article demonstrate this.
A research paper should be informative as a guide to future researchers. The trouble with ID is that it tends to see mystery (i.e. gaps) as themselves an explanation.

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nwr
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Message 42 of 438 (444434)
12-29-2007 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Hyroglyphx
12-29-2007 12:53 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
I have heard the claim that ID cannot be falsifiable and therefore cannot be considered a science. The irony, as you can imagine, is the swarm of criticism attempting to falsify it.
No, they are demonstrating that it is not science. That's not the same as falsifying.

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Message 58 of 438 (444533)
12-29-2007 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Hyroglyphx
12-29-2007 6:59 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
Speaking about gaps in the biological/fossil record is not the topic of this thread, ...
and almost all of the remainder of your post is off-topic.
But I see that my summary was too brief. I was not referring to gaps in the biological record. The "gap" mentioned by my summary was an alleged gap in evolutionary biology, the one where Behe claims that there is irreducible complexity.
The rest of your post consisted of nonsense about "natural deduction", "probability", "deterministic law", "fundamental laws of the universe", "fine-tuned to maintain life" - all of which you have newly introduced to the thread, and none of which seems to be related to the topic of this thread.
If you care to start a more appropriate thread, and move that new material to the new thread, I will comment there.
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