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Message 153 of 438 (463780)
04-20-2008 1:50 AM

who's the interviewer?
Hey everyone,

I haven't been around for a while, but I just had to hear what people had to say about this film.

To add to the discussion, I new addition was added to this link since it was last posted some time ago: http://www.richarddawkins.net/article,2477,n,n

In turns out The Killers were duped into having their music and they are mad about it.

Here's the message from their board:

"I just spoke to the band's manager, and adding to the confusion was the fact that they did authorize a project months ago with this request:

'The film is a satirical documentary with an estimated running time of 1 hour and 50 minutes, exploring academic freedom in public schools and government institutions with actor, comedian, economist, Ben Stein as the spokesperson.'

What they authorized was a documentary about 'academic freedom in schools', not the film that the producers produced.

They contacted the producers of the film to ask that the song be removed but it is too late. Unfortunately it was misrepresented to them when the request came through to use it. Add this band to a long line of people who were misled by the producers of this film."

Apparently the makers of this film are really trying to piss off everyone associated in any way with this film, with all the copyright infringements. Is this possibly a ploy to generate more publicity?

I refuse to see this movie on principle (don't want to give them money), but I am curious about it. Has anyone seen it? Is Ben Stein actually interviewing all the scientists involved? I know earlier many scientists complained about being lied to about the intent of the movie. Were they interviewed by Ben Stein himself, or does he just interject snide remarks in the back ground while someone else conducts the interview? Did the scientist maybe think something was up when Ben Stein showed up on the door to conduct the interview for a supposedly lowly documentary?

Anyone have more info on this story?

You hear evolutionist says we are descedant from apes and monkees. Sure, but that's not the point. All of life is related, not just human's with monkees. If you hug a tree, you're hugging a relative, a very distant relative, but a relative nonetheless." Dr. Joan Roughgarden in Evolution and Christian Faith

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Message 158 of 438 (463809)
04-20-2008 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by Percy
04-20-2008 2:38 PM

Re: I saw the movie
Speaking of reviews, here's a list of the reviews that this movie has gotten so far:

9% http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/expelled_no_intelligence_allowed/
0.5/4 http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/movies/17856474.html
2.5/5 reader reviews http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/movies/18expe.html?ref=movies
0/4 http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/film_review.asp?ID=3606
2/4 http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/movies/ny-etret5652630apr18,0,6830898.story

On google reviews as of 4/17
2.5/4 http://www.tvguide.com/movies/expelled-intelligence-allowed/review/293361
F http://www.eonline.com/movies/e_reviews/index.jsp?movieuuid=be0b6dbb-f9f5-4bf8-8d8b-f5dd83e2b7a7
2/4 http://www.nypost.com/seven/04172008/entertainment/movies/creative_writhing_106936.htm

On google reviews as of 4/20
4/5 http://www.epinions.com/content_426757688964
5/5 http://www.epinions.com/content_426753756804
5/5 http://www.epinions.com/content_426798780036

Interesting, the diversity of opinions on the film credentials of this movie. How often do rating on a film's quality go from 0/5 to 5/5? Perhaps some of these reviews are a bit biased, in both direction, evaluating content and not just film quality.

Also, I only included reviews with a rating attached, there are plenty of raving and scathing reviews that don't give us a rating, too many to list, in fact. Here's two I found most interesting from a religious website that was very critical of the film:

Also interesting, a google search on the movies showtime only turned up 3 negative reviews on Friday, but after a lot of internet hubbub about the bad reviews that the film was getting, 3 more reviews popped up on google this morning (I have been checking constantly this weekend). All three raving reviews came from the same website, epinions.

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Message 162 of 438 (463928)
04-22-2008 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by molbiogirl
04-21-2008 12:41 PM

Re: $$$ on opening weekend
They've gotta have $10 million into this, bare minimum.

That is, if they're not funded by the Discovery Institute, in which case a loss of a couple million $$ is no big deal to get a little nation-wide publicity.

I don't think there is any definite proof of this financial connection, but there is this interesting bit from the DI's Wedge Document on Expelled Exposed about the second phase of their wedge strategy:

…production of a … documentary on intelligent design and its implications…. Alongside a focus on influential opinion-makers, we also seek to build up a popular base of support among our natural constituency, namely, Christians.

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