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Author Topic:   EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed - Science Under Attack
1071
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Message 116 of 438 (463499)
04-17-2008 7:06 PM


my opinion
I find it amusing that the world we live in scurries around like ants with no queen as soon as they are challenged. The very fabric of what they consider their common sense is nothing more than a life time of brain washing. I know, I was the same way for almost 30 years of my life. In the United States of America we are taught to accept the media and academia by our despot government. This ranges from the way we eat, how to dress, our entertainment obsessions to the way we view science, politics and religion. Our nation has accepted the edict of toleration that was founded by the then 'new found' Catholic church in 325AD by becoming a Politically Correct country. It might be constitutional to speak your mind, but it isn't "P.C.".

This brings me to the new, now deemed controversial, documentary EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed. Ben Stein who was respected in the media as being an intelligent actor and comedian is now being viewed as "completely nuts or so avaricious that he's abandoned all good sense to make a buck". The modern media militia considers Creationism as a "faith-without-facts warhorse". This is just part of their debasement arsenal. They are very good at tearing down their enemies and lifting them selves up with their credentials, making a name for themselves so they can have authority. This is the same concept as the cannibal priests of Babylon worshiping Baal, Mithra and Moloch. They decided to Make a name for themselves and turn from the Creator so they could have their own authority. "The film was just silly, with virtually zero scientific content, which, of course, is not surprising coming from Ben Stein - a comedian, speech writer and game show host . . . but not a scientist. " - Amanda Gefter

See, America accepts religious "tolerance" so we are not supposed to speak our mind and accept that every one has their own religion. If we do we are labled radicals and fundamentalists. This is was proposed by Emperor Constantine, Cesar and Christian of the now known Catholic church, in 325AD. This was the birth of Catholicism, Papacy, the Eucharist, and the Christ-Mass (Christmas). It was brought about because he was losing the war with the Goths, Visigoths and the Huns. He then amalgamated the pagan traditions in to the church to appease his enemies. He wanted every one to get along; he perfected apostasy in the process. This is what led to the reformation of the church by Christian leaders such as Martin Luther and John Calvin. America is the melting pot, the land of opportunity from every nation. With all of the immigration comes foreign religions as well.

My "religion" [ancient Christianity] dictates no tolerance on the matter, however most Neo-Christian doctrines follow the same guidelines of the ancient catholics, esoteric paganism, and the Occult. They teach peace and tranquillity if you choose their religion. According to the Holy Bible, Christ died for his "called out" not every one on the planet. So first off, Secular Humanists and Evolutionists have an incorrect view of Christianity. Second, they want to make a name for themselves. This is in direct contridiction to the true doctrine of Christ and is why they are such enemies.

This Documentary is attacked from every angle you can imagine because it is uncovering the prejudice of the secular humanist academia. It is also exposing the ties from Darwin to euthanasia, abortion, eugenics, racism and the Holocaust. But Naturalists, or Humanists will never admit this.. they think it is human nature to kill everything..."It's in the film's final third that it runs entirely off the rails as Stein argues that there is a clear line from Darwinism to euthanasia, abortion, eugenics and--wait for it-- Nazism. ...... The truth, of course, is that the only necessary and sufficient condition for human beings to murder one another is the simple fact of being human. We've always been a lustily fratricidal species, one that needed no Charles Darwin to goad us into millenniums of self-slaughter." - JEFFREY KLUGER- TIME Magazine Thursday, Apr. 10, 2008. See, they like to toss terms around like "simple fact" to endorse their authority, and most importantly we kill each other .. evolution gives us a reason.

So since we have historically killed each other they think that the racism influenced doctrine of evolution had nothing to do with Hitler's obsession of wiping out the lower evolved humans. He considered this survival of the fittest. Hitler, like many Neo-Christians, used Religion as a political weapon. He claimed that the Aryan race was God's Favored race and every one else was "sub-human". However Sir Arthur Keith states "The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution." Keith, A., Evolution and Ethics, Putnam, NY, USA, p. 230, 1947. Evolutionists will always try to make Hitler out to be this Christian Killing in the name of God. Because he was quoted many times portraying this facade. But the people who knew him, knew otherwise.. and many historians who study Hitler also see past his ruse. "[Hitler] stressed and singled out the idea of biological evolution as the most forceful weapon aganst traditional religion and he repeatedly condemned Christianity for it's opposition to the teaching of evolution…. For Hitler, evolution was the hallmark of modern science and culture, and he defended it's veracity as tenaciously as Haeckel." Gasmann, Daniel, The Scientific Origins of National Socialism: Social Darwinism in Ernst Haeckel and the German Monist League (New York: American Elsevier, 1971),p 168. Also Hsü, Kenneth J., "Sedimentary Petrology and Biologic Evolution," Journal of Sedimentary Petrology, vol. 56 (September 1986), p 730 states... "Haeckelian Darwinism found it's terroristic expression in national socialism. For Hitler, evolution was the hallmark of modern science and his 'views of history, politics, religion, Christianity, nature, eugenics, science, art, and evolution, … coincide for the most part with those of Haeckel.' In the biological theory of Darwin, Hitler found his most powerful weapon against traditional values."

This seems to be a serious provocation to the secular Humanists. Saying that Hitler had succumb to the dark side and massacred millions because of evolution. Well, we know that it wasn't "because" of Evolution! He was a megamaniacal psychopath who used his warped neo-christian and humanistic evolutionary views of a master race to justify his own sick vision of utopia. We know that this was not Darwin's fault. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you are going to kill some one.. But in the wrong hands it becomes a weapon. The exact same can be said for neo-christianity, islam, and any religion. In fact it is safe to say .. that God is dangerous, because there is nothing that happens that is not his Will.

The argument goes on and it will until the end. The naturalists will continue their intellectually vacuous debasement of super- naturalists to lift themselves up. The Super-Natural Catastrophists who believe in a literal 6-day creation will go on doing what they can to wake up the few chosen. It is ongoing, ... just wanted to put my 2 cents in.

angent antiLIE of the AGDT
~~end of transmission~~

Edited by antiLIE, : fixing hitler reference per Modulous


Agent antiLIE of the AGDT
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[Ρωμαιους IIX:XXIV] οτι ους προεγνω και προωρισεν συμμορφους της εικονος του υιου αυτου εις το ειναι αυτον πρωτοτοκον εν πολλοις αδελφοις
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1071
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Message 118 of 438 (463501)
04-17-2008 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Chiroptera
04-17-2008 7:19 PM


Re: your opinion is nutty and off-topic
Okay, let me make my self very clear. I only talked about Hitler because the said movie in question has that as a topic. here is the quote again from one of the reviews;

JEFFREY KLUGER- TIME Magazine Thursday, Apr. 10, 2008 writes:

"It's in the film's final third that it runs entirely off the rails as Stein argues that there is a clear line from Darwinism to euthanasia, abortion, eugenics and--wait for it-- Nazism. ...... The truth, of course, is that the only necessary and sufficient condition for human beings to murder one another is the simple fact of being human. We've always been a lustily fratricidal species, one that needed no Charles Darwin to goad us into millenniums of self-slaughter." - .


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1071
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Message 123 of 438 (463551)
04-18-2008 6:14 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Blue Jay
04-17-2008 10:41 PM


Re: my opinion
BlueJay writes:

So, antiLIE, how would you feel if evolutionists put out a movie "exposing the ties from" Jesus to genocide, Inquisition and Salem witch trials? I think it's only fair that the public be made aware of this assault the very ethical and moral fabric of our society.

Actually that would be a great documentary. The neo-christian dogma is in my opinion just as dangerous as evolution doctrine. All weapons in the hand of a powerful Creator.


Agent antiLIE of the AGDT
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[Ρωμαιους IIX:XXIV] οτι ους προεγνω και προωρισεν συμμορφους της εικονος του υιου αυτου εις το ειναι αυτον πρωτοτοκον εν πολλοις αδελφοις
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1071
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Message 124 of 438 (463553)
04-18-2008 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Blue Jay
04-17-2008 10:41 PM


Re: my opinion
BlueJay writes:

But, wait: do you actually see evolutionists doing this--making movies and setting up political campaigns to attack creationism? No: we generally stick to our laboratories and work on improving our theories. Most evolutionary biologists don't even interact with creationists. Why? Because we're not the aggressors in this conflict. Remember that next time you spout paranoid nonsense.


well, You do not speak for all evolutionist. I indeed have experienced many evolutionists who defend their religion by attacking with debasement. I have seen many professors assume they have authority in the issue because of their credentials. However on the other end I will say that I should not assume that all Evolutionists are that way.


Agent antiLIE of the AGDT
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[Ρωμαιους IIX:XXIV] οτι ους προεγνω και προωρισεν συμμορφους της εικονος του υιου αυτου εις το ειναι αυτον πρωτοτοκον εν πολλοις αδελφοις
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Message 125 of 438 (463555)
04-18-2008 7:17 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by Modulous
04-18-2008 4:03 AM


Re: Joining in the pile-on
First I want to thank you for the reply.. I like good long analysis of my posts.. I do the same... I actually agree with the Hitler comments you made, I in fact went back and re read the Mein Kampf chapter I had mentioned.. I do see your point on that and should not have used it as an example.

Modulous writes:

Anybody who thinks the Nazi's rise to power, and the subsequent horrors, can all be pinned on one single causal source is a fool

I agree. That is what I am saying in my post, that Hitler wasn't JUST using biological evolution as an excuse, but also neo-christianity and politics.


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Message 138 of 438 (463710)
04-19-2008 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Blue Jay
04-18-2008 3:52 PM


Re: my opinion
Bluejay writes:

to be nothing more than an evolution hate group with a minor component of pretended science.

I like that term "pretend Science". See, I agree with you. I do not like calling ID, or Creation a Science. In fact I never [or try not to] use the words together (.ie "Creation Science") I admit that trying to speculate origins and where we came from and why we are here is nothing more than religion and philosophy....just like evolution. But a majority of naturalists consider evolution to be science, instead of using science to try to prove evolution. Same with Biblical Creation. Bible believers are looking at the same scientific evidences, and seeing something different. What is different about myself is that I respect both sides. I enjoy debate because the love of science and the never dying quest for truth, knowledge and origin, it will bring out thinking that is outside of the box. Darwin was one of those thinkers that thought outside the box, I respect him for that.

Bluejay writes:

Are you suggesting that people with suitable credentials do not have authority? If a certain man (we'll call him Dr X) was trained in geology, and has spent his career of twenty years studying mineral deposition and radiometric dating techniques, why should he not be considered authoritative on the ages and processes of rock strata?

Indeed. There are people that could have studied longer and harder who have never payed to go to college and get credentials like Dr X because making a name for themselves is not important. So if Dr. X, as you say, was trained in Geology (ie highly esteemed college degree) and then spent his career of twenty years studying mineral deposition and radiometric dating techniques, and Mr. Z read the same books and studied just as hard (not in a college scenario) then spent his career of twenty years studying mineral deposition and radiometric dating techniques. Wouldn't they have the same authority? only Dr.X payed lots of cash and has papers to say he is smart. How is that authority? I have seen many times where people who have no credentials have more authority than some one with papers.

Bluejay writes:

I'm now officially confused about where you stand in this debate: you call yourself antiLIE, but it seems you're more of an antiEVERYBODY. ;)

I know right? I get that all the time. Please do not confuse me with the right-wing fundamentalist neo-christian movement. I am "reformed" christian and what I believe goes against everything you would hear in modern churches.


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