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Author Topic:   EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed - Science Under Attack
Minnemooseus
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Message 173 of 438 (464187)
04-23-2008 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Deftil
04-23-2008 6:40 PM


Creationism definitely influenced by Darwinism
Deftil writes:

randman writes:

Eugenics was definitely influenced by Darwinism and played a significant role in Hitler and NAZI thinking. To deny this is silly.

but that seems to say that some of the blame for the NAZI movement falls on Darwin and the theory of natural selection.

It's good to give a message number link when you pull a quote from somewhere other than the replied to message. The Randman quote was from here. He also says more at that message.

As far as your Randman quote went, I could argue that that statement is true. It comes down to debating the "significant".

I could do a variation on that quote:

Moose might have said, writes:

Creationism was definitely influenced by Darwinism and played a significant role in Randman's thinking. To deny this is silly.

In preparing this message, I've come to realize that Randman's sentence is poorly written. I presume he was intending to say:

Darwinism played a significant role in Hitler and NAZI thinking.

As I see it, what he's actually saying is:

(Darwinism influenced eugenics and) Eugenics played a significant role in Hitler and NAZI thinking.

But so what about that last stuff. The bottom line is that Darwinism seems to have played a role in Randman's thinking, and therefor evolution might just be evil.

Or something like that.

Moose


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Message 215 of 438 (490467)
12-04-2008 11:14 PM


Film critic Roger Ebert comments on Ben Stein's "Expelled"
I first posted this elsewhere, having lost track that this topic existed.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2008/12/win_ben_steins_mind.html

Found via Panda's Thumb, which in turn found it via Bad Astronomy.

A choice bit, which was quoted by "Panda's Thumb":

quote:
This film is cheerfully ignorant, manipulative, slanted, cherry-picks quotations, draws unwarranted conclusions, makes outrageous juxtapositions (Soviet marching troops representing opponents of ID), pussy-foots around religion (not a single identified believer among the ID people), segues between quotes that are not about the same thing, tells bald-faced lies, and makes a completely baseless association between freedom of speech and freedom to teach religion in a university class that is not about religion.

That and the rest of Ebert's comments are probably everything you'll ever need to rebut any claims that it is a quality film.

Moose

Edited by Minnemooseus, : Got spastic and clicked "Submit Now" when I meant to click "Preview".


  
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