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ReverendDG
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Message 88 of 134 (313403)
05-18-2006 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by simple
05-18-2006 9:09 PM


Another thing, is why do those angels have to be bad? I think maybe most were good ones. What's wrong with sex and marriage and children?

the problem was that the angels taught mankind things they shouldn't have, spells, war, etc
enoch despite not being in the canons of most of the bibles, gives insight into how the hebrews explained the giants and the flood

god didn't want man to know the things the angels did or have the angels mate with man
the story is another example of how best to piss off god :)


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ReverendDG
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Message 90 of 134 (313422)
05-19-2006 3:13 AM
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05-19-2006 12:47 AM


But this is not in the bible. Some angels had rebelled, yes, we know that. But having sex with women was no crime, I would contend.

sure its in the bible, its in enoch
and yes part of it was having sex with women and the result of children from said relations
being tha angels are immortal wouldn't that make man immortal? well produce half-gods?
then again the bibles not exactly linear anyway

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Message 96 of 134 (314245)
05-22-2006 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by LudoRephaim
05-21-2006 7:53 PM


Re: good question
he Rephaim giants (specifically the anakites) are exaggerated in Numbers 13:33 (we looked like grasshoppers to 'em!)and it wouldn't take much size to be considered a "giant" in those days (average hebrew height was around 5'3-5'7) A race of people as tall and a large as a football lineman (6 feet 4 inch, 305 lbs) would seem quite gigantic to the tiny hebrews.

I'm not sure they where talking about height though, but streight verses weakness, i'm thinking its like we say swatting you like a gnat, its not that you are like a gnat but that you are as easy as one

I dont think the Bible's original autographs exaggerated Goliath's height, though whether it rendered 9 feet or 6 '6 feet is up in question. Either way he was a big sun-of-a-gun who not even the giant saul wanted to mess with. Only a little teenager with a slingshot (effective weapon) took 'em on, and nailed that sucker right in the forehead LOL.

yes they would do that to make it a better more exagerated story to make david greater than he was, most likely goliath was at most 6 foot, that still would be tall - i watched the history channel about david and his sling shot, seems it was a pretty powerful weapon if used right
smacking goliath in the right spot in the forehead would kill him, if the right force is applied

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ReverendDG
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Message 100 of 134 (314790)
05-24-2006 1:20 AM
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05-23-2006 5:59 PM


Re: good question
They where talking about size, height and physical strength. In a sense, they where saying that they wouldn't be a mouthful to the anakites.

no, it sounded like they said they would be easily crushed by the anakites, i do not think they meant height really
considering that nephilim doesn't mean giant in hebrew, they were more like hercules or persaus - heroes or great men, but not giants

wiki has a pretty good entry for you to read :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim

Now they could have exxagerated Goliath's height to make the story more powerful, but as a believer I cant see God writing that kind of embellishment (kind of an untruth). Later writers could have though.

well i guess if you believe the bible is written by god. Though there is no evidence it was and lots of evidence saying it was written by men. Likely it was writen exactly like other religions did, to entertain or teach.

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ReverendDG
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Message 108 of 134 (315224)
05-26-2006 12:56 AM
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05-26-2006 12:06 AM


Says you. I see no indication at all the sex was somehow bad. The book of Enoch isn't bible. Part of inspiration comes in God helping man to pick what to put in the bible. He did. Enoch washed out. Sorry. Therefore it may be true, or it may be somewhat less than hotly inspired.

so you suddenly gained the ability to cherry pick what the bible is?, there are tons of versions of the "bible". just because its not in *yours* doesn't mean its not in a bible.
the ethiopian church considers it inspired as much as any part of the "bible"
anyway, part of the reasons for the condemming of the angels was because of the children they produced as i said, would you want monsters running around eatting people?
it was also what the angels taught man
nothing about the bible is inspired by god it is all the work of man, and his beliefs about god

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