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Author Topic:   Does Creationism as reported in the Bible remove the "toe"?
ConsequentAtheist
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Message 10 of 24 (71142)
12-05-2003 6:04 AM


'That's a great deal to make one word mean,' Alice said in a thoughtful tone.
'When I make a word do a lot of work like that,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'I always pay it extra.'
- From Through The Looking Glass by Lewis Carroll

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 18 of 24 (71283)
12-05-2003 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by NoBody
12-04-2003 7:22 PM


Re: Does Creationism as reported in the Bible remove the
Observation: The bible claims to be the begining of all things according to the creation account, and ...
The phrase is malformed and nonsensical.
as such I believe that also alot of evolutionists are agnostic, ...
Being malformed and nonsensical, it has no relevance to the existence of agnostic evolutionists, theistic evolutionists, or atheist evolutionists.
... I believe these are called thiestic evolutionist.
This lack of relevance should not be construed as license to further butcher the language. An evolutionist who is an agnostic is, by definition, a person who acknowledges the fact of evolution, presumably adheres to one of the theories about evolution, but is undecided about God(s) and/or is of the opinion that the existence of God(s) is unknowable. To call such a person "a theistic evolutionist" is simply confused.
Recent debates of the creation account show that the creation account could be literal, and has no contridiction.
I presume the accounts to be intended as literal descriptions of creation. These accounts contradict our current scientific understanding.
If you take the creation account literal you will see that evolution is allowed from that point.
The observation is entirely worthless. Genesis proclaims the creation of all winged lifeforms prior to the creation all land-based crawling lifeforms. It is clearly ignorant of the evolution of wings. What the language can be twisted to allow is irrelevant.
So you can see that creation according to the Bible does allow the theory of evolution or does it?
How did birds evolve?

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 21 of 24 (71306)
12-05-2003 10:11 PM
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12-05-2003 9:45 PM


Re: Does Creationism as reported in the Bible remove the
quote:
I presume the accounts to be intended as literal descriptions of creation. These accounts contradict our current scientific understanding.
No.
Do you claim that current scientific understanding is that fowl evolved before land-based insects?
Genesis claims to have created every fowl of the air, yes, but it does not say that these fowls could not evolve or change.
Nor does it say that the Marlins could not win the World Series. In fact, there is much that Genesis does not say, none of which validates what it does say.
quote:
How did birds evolve?
The waters brought them forth. This means that they came forth out of the waters.
Do you claim that birds evolved prior to land-based insects?

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 24 of 24 (71355)
12-06-2003 6:27 AM
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12-06-2003 12:43 AM


Re: Does Creationism as reported in the Bible remove the
Just because Genesis "uses" the words "after its kind" does not mean that it removes the idea of evolution.
This is your strawman. not mine. It is also a silly diversion. That "after its kind" does not preclude evolution simply demonstrates that the language was primitive and imprecise. It does not suggest that the Bible embraced the mechanism of evolution. In fact, the Biblical account stands in contradiction with accepted science.
So Yes, The Bible contradicts the TOE, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Unfortunately, your problem was evidently not one of misunderstanding but one of ignorance. You're actually not very good at this stuff.

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