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Author Topic:   "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
cromwell
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Message 62 of 860 (103338)
04-28-2004 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by PaulK
04-28-2004 4:28 AM


Moses did not teach Islam "The way to god by submission" His understanding of worship to the God Jehovah was different than this.He would have used the name Jehovah,as he didn't want to address any other gods at the time.
Moses was born in 1593 B.C.E. and Mohammed who formed Islam under the writings of the Quran was born in Mecca around 530 C.E....A big difference in time periods.
Islam:The way to god by submission.In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. This sentence translates the Arabic text, above, from the Quran. It continues: Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds: The Beneficent, the Merciful: Owner of the Day of Judgement. Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help. Show us the straight path: The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.The Quran, surah 1:1-7, MMP.
The subjection of the God of Moses was to Jehovah (YWVH tetragrammaton) not Allah.God is a title,such as President.Satan was noted to be the God of this system.Each is individual.Each religion claims his God.The character of each God by each religion is what makes them so different,but there is only one true God according to the scriptures.
Moses is recognised by Muslims,but it was the Israelite Jewish nation that was saved from the clutches of the following Egyptians by their God.
I haven't seen the video and wouldn't want to make opinions on it as yet,as i tend to believe the biblical account.The route of the exodus is not made clear in the scriptures.But if they find that the chariot wheels were pinned to the sea bed then i'll know that it was false.A bit like pinning peppered moths to tree trunks.False representation.

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cromwell
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Message 64 of 860 (103387)
04-28-2004 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by PaulK
04-28-2004 9:17 AM


Exodus
>>In case you didn't notice I stated "according to Muslim theology".
Given that qualifier my statement is true - whether Muslim theology is correct or not is irrelevant to the issue under discussion.<<
>>And for your information "Allah" is not a name. "Allah" means God and according to Muslims Allah is the God of the Israelites.<<
That is fair comment.You were only stating what is common belief with the ideas that Muslims think Allah is the same god as the Israelite God.
I think that indirectly this is relevant to the exodus of the Israelites.The type of people involved,how many roamed in the wilderness and their religious thoughts are relevant.It sheds light on why and where they could have travelled.It was all under the protection of their God Jehovah.There were many other races that travelled with the Israelites also,who became believers in their God.Allah is only assumed to be the same God.
Many do think that Jehovah (Yahweh) in Hebrew means Allah (God). But Allah corresponds, in Hebrew, to Elo?him, the plural of majesty of the word elohah (god). A superstition arose among the Jewish Israelites that prohibited them from pronouncing the divine name, Jehovah.(Yahweh) So it became their custom that while reading the Holy Scriptures, whenever they came to the name Jehovah, they pronounced Adho?nai, which means Lord. In some places they even altered the original Hebrew text from Jehovah to Adho?nai.This misrepesented naming has found its way into some religions of today.
I read earlier that the exodus was proved to be false.Egyptians would have caught the fleeing Israelites,wrong terrain e.t.c.Can someone please direct me to these sites or any other references that look into this matter.

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cromwell
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Message 66 of 860 (104096)
04-30-2004 6:35 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by PaulK
04-28-2004 6:22 PM


Re: Exodus
Thanks for the info.I will look into it,when i get time.
Exodus has been invalidated?! In who's eyes? Considering the route of the exodus and stationing of the people is not indicated clearly in the scriptures,its hard to see what they have proved to be wrong.
I will say that archaelogical dating does not always go in line with the biblical chronology dates.So are you saying that others consider archaeology dating as the "master" over the bibles chronology? Is archaeology dating that accurate,that it is infallible? Is this not assuming only that one is better than the other?
Border controls at the point of the Red sea would not have been strong enough to be affective against a mass of people marching in battle formation under the protection of God.A number upwards to a few million.
The Pharoah had reluctantly released the Israelites anyway.His border guards would have been imformed about the Israelites liberation.Ex 12:33
The Pharoah was made to recognise that God wanted his people to be released.This was why God bought the ten plagues upon Egypt,taking into consideration the Pharoah was bought up to have the belief that he was a god,and all of the Egyptians believed this to be the case.But he was only a man.He had to be shown that he was not a god.God displayed his power.
As the Israelites departed Pharoah had a change of heart and only then did he pursue the fleeing Israelites.

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