"THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO

[21: And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.]So, the east wind strong enough to separate waters up to 850 metres deep, blew all night not only into the faces of men, women and children, but also directly into the faces of all the animals. [22: And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.]Now, not being an expert on water heaping, I can only guess that the walls of water varied from only a metre or so up to a height of 850 metres. But wait, there`s more: [Chapter 15
8: And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea.]Does this mean they were upright on top of the existing water, reaching a height of 1700 metres above the deepest part? I can imagine terrified women and children, fleeing from a horde bent on mayhem, just dying to plunge between quivering walls of water possibly up to a mile high. And this in the face of a wind so powerful that deep water parted. [26: And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians, upon their chariots, and upon their horsemen.
27: And Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to his strength when the morning appeared; and the Egyptians fled against it; and the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea.
28: And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them.
29: But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.]So what we have here is part of the passage collapsing on the Egyptians, while the children of Israel walked dryshod across the remainder? Wind still blowing?I guessed the distance from Nuweiba to Saudi from a map at around from 15-20 miles, although it looks much closer on the excerpts from the video. Allowing for a coastal shallow on each side, even a descent of half a mile in that distance would be tricky for women and children, especially if they had to climb over coral reefs on either side. Especially if they were rushing between quivery walls of water at least half a mile high. Especially if they were pushing that dratted east wind.
O.K. so we have the majority of folks over. Time for the beasties. Don`t know the size and composition of the animals brought out of Egypt so I`ll take a guess at a herd of around one per head. That`s two million .Give or take a few. You can track their passage back to Egypt by the piles of poo. Since it`s a fact of droving cattle or sheep that they are only pushed 7-10 miles per day on good grazing with plenty of water and that on level ground, I guess we need a stampede. The cowboys whooped them up and sent the herd crashing through the coral reef, down the slope, up the slope and through the other fringing reef. Voila! No casualties. 15-20 miles in one hit. Then they dropped dead from stress and exhaustion.Meanwhile, back at the chariots
[24: And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians,
25: And took off their chariot wheels, that they drave them heavily: so that the Egyptians said, Let us flee from the face of Israel; for the LORD fighteth for them against the Egyptians.
26: And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians, upon their chariots, and upon their horsemen.
27: And Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to his strength when the morning appeared; and the Egyptians fled against it; and the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea.
28: And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them.]So, excluding fraud from Ron or similar bridge-boosters, and ignoring any other possible reason for wheels to be deposited on the bottom, let`s work out how much coral growth would accumulate on an object on the bottom in 3500 years. Coral reefs grow at a variety of rates e.g. AIG states that the reefs at Eniwetok Atoll in the Marshall Islands grew 1400 (that`s right) 1400 metres in 3500 years. Of course, the fact that the Red Sea and surrounds offers optimum conditions for coral growth shouldn`t enter our calculations. Let`s take the other extreme. Chave, Smith and Roy-1972-reckoned a growth rate of 0.8-26 millimetres a year. Hmmm, what`s 0.8mm x 3500= say just under 3 metres. Don`t see this kind of growth on the wheels.
But wait, there`s more. Coral growth is slowed by a number of factors. Exposure at low tide? Nope. Lack of light at depth? Nope. Turbidity? Unless conditions have changed in the clear Gulf of Aqaba-nope. Temperature rise since the event leading to a drier climate? Nope, a 5 degree rise accelerates coral growth. Pollution from human activities? Hey, that could be it2,000,000 animals must have dropped a fair load in the stampede.Re the big dip in the middle
I shouldn`t give you a way out (going over to wall, grasping handles and banging head against wall), but with the great African Rift valley running through the area, maybe the bridge collapsed?

[This ignorant statement shows me you don't know much about what the Bible says. Have you ever read Exodus 15:8?"And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea."The waters were CONGEALED! Most scholars overlook this statement. The wind did not blow all day and all night. The wind blew only for the time-being in parting the waters while the Israelites were ON THE SHORE! Congealed means that the blast of air froze the waters. There were two massive thick walls of ice holding up the waters.]Dear Lys, kindly read the text [21: And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind ALL THAT NIGHT, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.]
I realise it could mean that the sea went back all that night, but, alternatively, it could mean that the wind held the waters back all that night. (Sigh) Ain`t interpretation a load to bear at times?

My brain must be getting 'congealed.' Are you saying that when the walls collapsed, there were icebergs floating around the Gulf of Aqaba?

Buzzy, you and Lys have to make up your mind. Either reinforce your POV by providing concrete evidence from a number of reputable sources (I know, 'reputable sources' might have to be a thread on its own:-)), OR insist on the miracle technique. Now, gentle readers unaquainted with the topic, the miracle technique is divided into two parts. The 'ZAP'method is used for minor miracles needed for a mano/mano result, while the biggie 'SHAZAM' (sorry,Captain Marvel) is used by God for special occasions (Splitting seas, `gealing ice walls, turning waters red,etc.) Many scholars are divided on whether 'Manna' falls into the first or second category.So,B and L, it behooves you to stop retreating to your fall-back possie every time you run out of ideas. Just say 'I dunno.' No one will think the less of you.

Thing is, Lys, with modern-day scams similar to von Daniken`s books, films and videos coming more under the microscope, it`s only natural that new claims of revelations are going to travel a rocky road. Whether they are substantiated or nor depends on them passing all the tests that detractors can throw at them. Just because a video is made is in itself nothing startling. With today`s technology, I`m sure a convincing case could be made for little green men.
Btw, thanks a lot for the trouble you went to gathering the bathymetric info.

‘ It looks like a dug’s dinner’. We wouldn`t be talking about haggis,would we be,laddie?

Wouldn`t rely too much on the BASE Institute if I were you[UNDERWATER LAND BRIDGE: Following a theory that the route of the Exodus actually took the Hebrews past (not through) the bitter Lakes and then southward along the west coast of the Sinai Peninsula, we traveled to the tip of the Sinai and explored the underwater topography (bathymetry) of the Strait of Tiran, where the Gulf of Aqaba is narrowest between the Sinai Peninsula and Saudi Arabia. There we found that an underwater land bridge exists that today is so problematic for shipping that two separate routes or lanes are designated for northbound and southbound ships to pass through. Further correlation of the Bible’s account of the route of the Exodus causes us to realize that this unusual submarine formation may well have been trod by the Hebrews themselves.]
If you`ve read Bob Cornuke`s book, he doesn`t come across as too savoury a character. Sneaking around the country, trespassing, no mention of surrendering any treasure to it`s rightful owners, etc.This message has been edited by Nighttrain, 07-09-2004 06:46 AM

Hi, Jar. You only have to see the light coral growth on the 'wheels' to know they are recent artifacts. Even the shipwrecks around the world in tropical areas become completely enclosed in coral reefs within a couple of hundred years. The only possible reason for the 'wheels' to be so lightly encrusted is for them to have been exposed recently by a shift in currents, or storms. If this had happened, you would expect obvious signs of disturbance on the sea bottom (gutters gouged out, coral blocks overturned,scouring around fixed objects). Storms have a habit of recovering buried objects, but this discovery 'could' be in the interim period. Even in pure sand areas, shifts in the bottom tend to swallow up any object, man-made or natural, within a short period.
Edited to remove etc :-)This message has been edited by Nighttrain, 07-10-2004 05:12 AM

Thought you and Busy Bob Cornuke might have at least come up with the broken Mark 1 tablets. Or are they still at the factory waiting for the paint to dry?

Maybe someone hoaxed Wyatt?

Depends whether they are stepping over cow poo or coral.

Let`s be realistic here,guys. Ever know a kid to go more than an hour without wanting to go pee?

Let`s pull on the deerstalker and investigate this. Wheels built of wood sitting exposed on sea bottom with some coral growth. Since the minumun rate of growth sits around 0.8-23mm per year, can we agree that the wheels have been exposed for approx.6-10 years. (I think somewhere back in the thread, someone said Ron found them in 1986?)But, no matter. While I don`t think the wood would (stutter) rot in that period of time, a far more insidious enemy must have appeared. Teredo. Shipworm. Can we detect any of those little grub-holes in the wood section of the wheel? Just to fill you in on Teredo activity,try Seite wurde nicht gefunden. - CRM - Coastal Research & Management
No sign of those critters either 3500 years ago,or from recent uncovering. After viewing those long slugs, I am forced to say 'Alimentary,my dear Watkins.':-)

Welcome,Lucy. You ever find any evidence of the ancients trying square or hexagonal wheels first-up? Just a thought. :-)

Just a minor point. Even though it wouldn`t prove the artifacts were from the Exodus, isn`t it a tad surprising that Moller, a biologist of some standing, never tried a Carbon 14 dating of either the wood or those 'bones.'
Having been associated with metal detectors for some thirty years in prospecting, let me tell you that NO ONE in the prospecting game would even consider the use of molecular frequency generators, and,believe me, we try out every device invented to improve our success.