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w_fortenberry Member (Idle past 6097 days) Posts: 178 From: Birmingham, AL, USA Joined: |
quote: You appear to have a good concept of gravity, so let me ask you what would happen if you were to attach a bowling ball to either end of the string and place the golf ball in the middle. If the whole were rotated, which ball would end up as the center of the system? Going back to your original model, what type of orbit would the orbiting body prescribe around the object orbited, circular, eliptical, hexagonal?
quote: Please provide proof of this statement.
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w_fortenberry Member (Idle past 6097 days) Posts: 178 From: Birmingham, AL, USA Joined: |
quote: If such evidence is so readily available as you seem to imply, it should not require any great effort on your part to clearly state that evidence. That you do not do so, resorting to cynicism instead, does not support your claims.
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Mister Pamboli Member (Idle past 7567 days) Posts: 634 From: Washington, USA Joined: |
quote: That he does not do so, does not negate his claims. That you do not give your evidence does not negate your claims either. However, note the following. You do say "I am aware of much evidence which is claimed to support heliocentricity" in post 59. You admit to being aware of evidence, even much evidence - so you are merely asking for either repetition or supplementation. We all freely admit to knowing of [b][i]no[/b][/i] evidence for your position: emprically, and through common politeness, the ball is in your court. That you admit to knowing of evidence yet refuse to address that which you already admit to know while demanding more, does not augur well for your bona fides in any discussion.
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Percy Member Posts: 22359 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Four fatal problems with this:
One proof can be found by examining the earth/moon system. We know from observation that the moon doesn't really orbit the earth, but rather that both orbit a point about 1000 miles beneath the earth's surface on a direct line between their centers. This agrees completely with the math for gravitational attraction between two objects: F = Gm1m2/r2 Clearly the common orbital point will be rm2/(m1+m2) from the earths center, and plugging in the numbers we get 4671 km. The earth's radius is 6378 km, so that's 1707 km beneath the earth's surface, which is 1060 miles. This check is very simple, but you can use the same equation, along with F=ma, to verify the observed motions of all bodies within the solar system. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22359 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Cynicism? I think derision is more like it. You're professing ignorance of common knowledge. I answered your math question because the basic equation underlying orbital motion is not common knowledge, but I'm wondering why you feel the need to go on and on trying to force someone into answering questions about things you already know. If you're trying to make some point why don't you just go ahead and make it? --Percy
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 725 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I'm new here - so Hi! I have been an amateur astronomer for years, and have read a lot on history of astronomy, though in a piecemeal fashion. The big proofs for a heliocentric solar system were all worked out well before 1900 - annual parallax of stars, aberration of starlight, the excellent fit of observed planetary orbits to simple elliptical orbits around the sun (instead of several nested epicycles if you're geocentric.) But a pretty good clincher is: how many space probes have been sent outside the Moon-Earth system now? A hundred? 150? A lot, anyway, and with perfectly astonishing accuracy, like close enough to orbit a twenty-mile asteroid for months, 100 million miles from here. Can you really imagine that this could have been accomplished with the wrong model for how things orbit each other?
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Howdy, I'm in Texas too. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5862 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Hi coragyps,
Welcome to evcforum! Assuming you're the same coragyps from II, double welcome. I look forward to seeing some of your famous incisive posts. (Check out the "Faith and Belief" forum - you'll have a ball.)
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w_fortenberry Member (Idle past 6097 days) Posts: 178 From: Birmingham, AL, USA Joined: |
quote: What claims have I made that require evidence?
quote: You do not appear to comprehend. Immediatley after making the statement which you quoted (and the qualifier which you did not quote), I stated, "What I have been unable to find is proof of the supposed falsity of geocentricity."
quote: Again, what position have I stated that demands evidence?
quote: Let me repeat, I am not aware of any evidence of the falsity of the geocentric view found in the Bible.
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w_fortenberry Member (Idle past 6097 days) Posts: 178 From: Birmingham, AL, USA Joined: |
quote: quote: Where is the point about which you propose the sun and the earth orbit?
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w_fortenberry Member (Idle past 6097 days) Posts: 178 From: Birmingham, AL, USA Joined: |
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quote: Let me once again repeat, I am not aware of any evidence of the falsity of the geocentric view found in the Bible. I hope you do not mind my use of your format. The table adds a variety which makes the reply a lot easier to follow than the monotony of three quotes in a row.
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Karl Inactive Member |
But you must be aware of it - it's listed in this thread. You need to show why the consensus of scientific opinion is wrong and why it isn't evidence against geocentricity.
Oh - and the point around which the sun/earth system would orbit would, I imagine, be on a line between the centres of each body, and many, many times closer to the centre of the sun. Whether it's below or above the surface is easily calculated, but I don't see the need.
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Mister Pamboli Member (Idle past 7567 days) Posts: 634 From: Washington, USA Joined: |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by w_fortenberry:
[B][QUOTE]What claims have I made that require evidence?[/B][/QUOTE] The claim that you are unaware of evidnce against the geocentric position, for one.
[B][QUOTE]Let me repeat, I am not aware of any evidence of the falsity of the geocentric view found in the Bible.[/B][/QUOTE] So let's get this clear. You admit to being aware of much evidence for the claims of heliocentricity. You profess to be unaware of any evidence against the claims of geocentricity. Therefore, we can conclude one of the following: (a) You believe geocentricity and heliocentricity are compatible.(b) You believe that they are incompatible, but you believe in general terms that evidence for a proposition is not evidence against an incompatible position. It is like asking for proof that Seattle is not the capital of Washington state, but refusing to admit in the supporting argument any evidence that Olympia is the capital of Washington. (c) You are a sophist. If (a) then you are likely not going to comprehend any discussion on the matter.If (b) you are unlikely to be able to follow any logical demonstration anyway. If (c) you are not worth presenting any evidence or argument to. We should probably have a vote. At this point I am not sure if its (a) with some yet-to-revealed-in-all-its-irrefutable-glory demonstration of a multi-centric solution, or (b).
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Primordial Egg Inactive Member |
(c)
------------------It's good to have an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out. - Bertrand Russell
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John Inactive Member |
quote: c) follows from either a) or b) so I am going with c) too. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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