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w_fortenberry Member (Idle past 6097 days) Posts: 178 From: Birmingham, AL, USA Joined: |
quote: The link provides a solution for determining the value of the eccentricity but it does not provide an explanation for the cause of the eccentricity. Can you tell me why the planetary orbits are eliptical?
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joz Inactive Member |
You can work it out yourself...
Just look at the final formula for e and work out what would give you e > 0..... Its not hard...
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Percy Member Posts: 22359 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
w_fortenberry writes: I have not claimed such ignorance [of common knowledge]. Sure you have. You claim to be unaware of any evidence against geocentric theory. If I recall my school years correctly, the information you're asking about was presented three times in three different grades in increasing detail. Did you not attend school? I guess you're not going to tell us why you're asking endless questions about things you already know, but I see no point in replying until you respond to some of the data already presented. For example, you were offered the evidence that spacecraft find their way to where we send them, and star parallax, but you show no interest in discussing or even acknowledging this evidence. You just ignore it and ask another question. I don't see the point in offering you more responses to ignore. --Percy
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John Inactive Member |
quote: The early solar system was chaotic. The planets formed from dust and debris. Planetoids smashed together and fused, or chipped off bits of one another. This messy transfer of momentum isn't likely to produce a circular orbit. Circular orbits are, in fact, quite tricky to produce. All of the variables have to be just right-- velocity, direction, altitude, etc. Elipticals are less tricky. Even today the gravitational interactions of the planets would prevent a planet from keeping a perfectly circular orbit. In other words, a circular orbit would get screwed up by the gravitational tugs of the other planets. ------------------
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zipzip Inactive Member |
This whole part of the thread sounds a little like:
(opening credits... suspenseful music...narrator) HAL9000, questioning its creators, desperate and driven by an insatiable desire to learn, tortured by programming it did not choose and cannot ignore... (cue jaws theme -- da da, da da) save yourselves! (screams and chaotic camera work...fade out...curtain...applause...bathroom break) No offense, maybe just too much orbital mechanics in a thread that started talking about four-legged insects and cud-chewing rabbits. [This message has been edited by zipzip, 12-05-2002] [This message has been edited by zipzip, 12-05-2002]
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Mr. Davies Inactive Member |
Now, as all of the Evilutionists lay vanquished at his feet, another satisfied Bible Believing Man walks away, bathed in the soft glow of Heaven's Holy Light.
A "Sophist"? What are other forms of tricks one can play to make the opposing side want to vomit?
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joetate18please Inactive Member |
I have to disagree. I believe the way the planets are orbiting and their design
and structure is not from a few bumps and bangs just "happening". If there are a few things that I have never had explained to me, they are these two points:
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3813 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
[QUOTE][B]I believe the way the planets are orbiting and their design
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Why? There are completely naturalistic explanations for both.
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forgiven Inactive Member |
quote: gene, i'm sure you're correct about this but for those of us who are also interested in possible answers, can you give us more of your thoughts? the above seems somewhat light
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joetate18please Inactive Member |
That is great... please explain it. I am at a loss for the understanding and if there is an explanation then I would love to hear it. If you have a book you want to suggest, great... or please explain it here.
quote: Thank you for your time.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Why? There is nothing magical about the structures of the planets or their orbits. It can all be explained, more or less.
quote: Sometime before the clouds of gas condensed. Why does this matter?
quote: What does this have to do with planetary orbits and origins?
quote: How did life get started? No one has a clear answer at the moment. What does this have to do with planets? ------------------
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forgiven Inactive Member |
quote: [begin tongue in cheek] all that we know, all that we can witness or perceive or postulate from what we have observed points to our solar system (the universe actually, but let's limit our thoughts for the moment) being one big accident... gases cooled into solids which ricocheted off one another again and again, gravity eventually pulled these masses into orbits more or less as we see them, these accidental "bumps" resulted in all things being perfect for life to form spontaneously on an earth that was perfectly positioned from the heat, energy, and gravitational sources of our sun and moon... this life had as its origin bacteria contained in space dust (possibly)... the chemical reactions necessary for turning this bacteria into the myriad "kinds" of life forms on earth were themselves the result of all prior accidents... the bacteria itself .. well, i'm not real sure about that but i just believe it, you know? it's easier for me to believe that life came from nothing and order from chaos and information from non-information than it is to believe there is a creator who planned all of this and who implimented that plan [end tongue in cheek] good questions joe.. don't hold your breath for answers
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w_fortenberry Member (Idle past 6097 days) Posts: 178 From: Birmingham, AL, USA Joined: |
Percipient writes: I see no point in replying until you respond to some of the data already presented. For example, you were offered the evidence that spacecraft find their way to where we send them, and star parallax, but you show no interest in discussing or even acknowledging this evidence. You just ignore it and ask another question. I don't see the point in offering you more responses to ignore. The evidence you are referring to is found in posts 58 and 81 and was presented by Karl and Coragyps respectively. In niether post did I find supporting arguments for that evidence. In contrast, the evidence of orbital mechanics has been presented with at least a minimal amount of supporting argumentation. I have not ignored the posts you and John have made regarding this evidence, nor have I ignored the other evidences mentioned. I recognized that the other evidences would be addressed through a discussion of orbital mechanics, and therefore, I have set them aside until such a time as they can be so addressed along supporting argumentation. With this explanation, I would like to continue our discussion on orbital mechanics. Could you please provide an explanation for the elliptical orbits of the planets?
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Percy Member Posts: 22359 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
The evidence you are referring to is found in posts 58 and 81 and was presented by Karl and Coragyps respectively. In niether post did I find supporting arguments for that evidence. This evidence is common knowledge. Galileo has been touring Jupiter and the Jovian moons for the past six years. The Mariner spacecraft went to Mars. Pioneer 10 was the first spacecraft to leave the solar system. Magellan went to Venus. The exploits of all these and many other spacecraft are reported regularly on all the major news outlets. You deny knowing anything about all this? I don't know what game your playing, but I'm not playing it. How about addressing my question. Did you not go to school? Did you not study the solar system at least a couple times? Did they not talk about orbits, spacecraft and star parallax? Why is it always the Creationists with the weird positions. How come no evolutionist ever comes in here saying, "I have never heard of this Christ of whom you speak." --Percy
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3813 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
The orbits the planets occupy is governed by the natural laws discovered by Kepler and others. Through use of these laws we routinely send spacecraft throughout the solar system.
I'm not sure what it is about the planetary orbits that is so amazing. They (except Pluto) have roughly circular orbits but are actually elliptical. This could be because smaller bodies that crossed orbits of other bodies collided until the planets had orbits that were nearly circular. Also gravitational reasonance between planets would likely tend to smoothe out the orbits (elliptical orbits that pull in closer to other planets and then pull away flex the crust, heating it and tightening the orbit). Finally any planet that was too eccentric could have been ejected from the Solar System after a close encounter with a larger planet. That may explain the orbit of the eight inner planets but it still leaves us with eccentric Pluto (nobody knows why its orbit is so elliptical). It also leaves us with a few families of asteroids that cross the orbits of Earth and some other inner planets and essentially every comet in the Solar System (too shortlived to be smoothed).
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