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Author Topic:   Do atoms confirm or refute the bible?
Joman
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Message 47 of 153 (364104)
11-16-2006 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by AnswersInGenitals
10-29-2006 2:00 AM


Can anyone quote a biblical passage that clearly states, or that can be interpreted to state that matter is either continuous or atomic in nature? "Atomic" here means made up of distinct units and includes molecules as well as atoms.
Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Joman

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Joman
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Message 48 of 153 (364109)
11-16-2006 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Centrus
11-03-2006 2:42 AM


Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Before the first day consisting of a morning and an evening there existed the heaven and the earth. Heaven being unknown to us.
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
During that period of time the earth was without form and void. It was without form in that God hadn't given the earth structure. Which means that it wasn't a sphere, hadn't any dry land, was without atmosphere and was without oceans. The earth sat in darkness under waters. It sat in a place termed the deep. The deep was filled with waters. Waters; means that there are different kinds of water.
There is in this passage no implication of atomic structure. This is obvious from the fact that the term, "the earth" doesn't equate to the term "earth". The passage doesn't say that, "earth" was without form (structure). It says "the earth" was without form. "The earth" meaning the "earth" as a planetary whole. It is also evident that the earth stands in comparison to heaven within the context of Genesis and the whle Bible.
Joman.

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Joman
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Message 49 of 153 (364116)
11-16-2006 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by AnswersInGenitals
10-29-2006 2:00 AM


II Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
The elements are the the atoms and molecules of which things that are seen were made.
II Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
All things will be dissolved. Which means that all things will be broken down into the elemental parts of which things consist.
The solvent is fire. Dissolve is another word for disintegrate. Integrate is the summing up whereas, disintegrate is to breakdown into formless matter.
The heavens will dissolve as a whole.
The elements shall also dissolve.
The atoms will melt. (plasma)
The heat applied will be fervent. (extremely hot)
All of these points are rational and in accordance with physics.
Joman.

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Joman
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Message 50 of 153 (364121)
11-16-2006 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Equinox
11-01-2006 4:10 PM


The Bible has over a half million words - only a couple sentences of those would be needed to tell us about the periodic table, or anesthetics, or radio waves, or electricity, or internal combustion engines, or vaccinations, or antibiotics, or even germs.
Nature gives man revelations about the creator of it. The purpose of the Bible is to provide a legal document that requires all men to accept or deny by faith belief in it's authorship by God and it's revelatory truth's that can't be in any other way obtained.
There exists a fish in the Indian ocean that uses AM and FM radio to see. Anesthetics are the result of natural drugs found in nature. Alchohol is one. God put Adam to sleep when he operated upon him. Which is the first recorded use of an anesthetic.
Lightning is electricity and electricity requires a path; that is, a circuit.
Job 28:26 When he made a decree for the rain, and a way for the lightning of the thunder:
28:27 Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out.
A decree is a law.
A way is a path or circuit (if the path is a return)
The above passaage says that God saw the pathway, was the one to declare it existence (thunder), prepared it (the pathway of lightning is prepared in advance of every lightning stroke) and God searched it out (which means the way of lightning isn't obvious).
Vaccination is merely the use of the already existing natural means for enabling the defensive systems of the body to be educated and strengthened against bacterial enemies of the body. Antibiotics are natural productions of fungi and bacteria. Man's part in it is simply to provide a wise use of these substances that God created.
a little research will show that man has created nothing at all. Man is simply using what has already been defined for him in nature by the God who created all of it as he saw fit to design it.
Internal combustion is nothing new in nature.
God protected the Jews against germs by use of dietary and cleansing laws which reveal his knowledge of them.
Joman.

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Joman
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Message 51 of 153 (364124)
11-16-2006 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by 42
11-03-2006 2:31 PM


Physics explains how chaotic energy evolves into increasingly complex stable forms, such as quarks and electrons, atoms and molecules. Chemistry explains how molecules arrange themselves into self-replicating cells.
This is an example of extreme ignorance.
Joman.

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