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Coyote
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Message 92 of 153 (469848)
06-08-2008 1:12 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by IamJoseph
06-07-2008 11:35 PM


Re: On the Accuracy of Genesis or Why I believe Genesis is True.
10. That speech endowed humans are less than 6000 years old, vindicated by the world's most accurate and oldest calender - with no counter conclusive proof anywhere?
Are you actually claiming that speech is only 6,000 years old?
Is that really what you are saying?

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Message 94 of 153 (469853)
06-08-2008 1:38 AM
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06-08-2008 1:27 AM


Re: DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE.
Its very simple to disprove me:
Just give a 'NAME' of anyone older than 6000?
A name is an irrefutable proof of speech, and needs no writing: it can be recalled, as with traditional songs, recipies and myths. But no name = no speech Endowed humans; and no history per se pre-6000.
You are posting absolute, uninformed nonsense.
All we need to do is compare human skeletal morphology, particularly the hyoid bone and brain size.
There is no sudden change at 6,000 years. The change in the hyoid happened more like 300,000 years ago. Brain size was getting pretty decent by then also.
Or is this your way of trying to claim the earth is only 6,000 years old?
Here is a link that may shed some light: How the Hyoid Bone Changed History

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 96 of 153 (469856)
06-08-2008 1:59 AM
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06-08-2008 1:54 AM


Re: DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE.
And there are a host of scientists who disagree.
Let's see the evidence.
And don't bother with creationist websites -- when it comes to science they lie (they have to).

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 98 of 153 (469897)
06-08-2008 12:10 PM
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06-08-2008 2:48 AM


Your links do nothing to show that language developed just 6,000 years ago.
But they do show that you have absolutely no grasp of science, nor of history.
And they have shown me that discussing these matters with you is a total waste of time.

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Message 113 of 153 (470028)
06-09-2008 12:58 AM
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06-08-2008 11:48 PM


Re: Nabta
quote:
Around 8800 years ago (7800 bp, uncalibrated), they began to make pottery locally,
So the only example, when there should be 1000s - is 'uncalibrated'.
quote:
By 9000 years ago (8000 bp, uncalibrated),
Everything I said IS calibrated. Its supposed to be a science thread!
quote:
A few hundred years later, around 8100 years ago (7100 bp, uncalibrated),
Were still in 'uncalibrated' territory, even 8000 years ago.
You just don't get it!
A calibrated date is a radiocarbon date that has been calibrated using the calibration curve. In the examples above the calibrated date is the accurate figure, while the uncalibrated figure does not take into account atmospheric variations in C14.
By the way, the uncalibrated ages are expressed in radiocarbon years BP (before present).
When you try to deal with science you need to get these details right or you shouldn't even bother. You certainly don't impress anyone when you consistently screw up the technical details.

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Message 118 of 153 (470036)
06-09-2008 2:13 AM
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06-09-2008 1:54 AM


Re: Nabta
This is not a hypothetical question: we have no conclusive evidence of speech, while all deliberations as a counter are perched only with the Genesis 6000 dating. In fact, we have no history per se pre-6000, and all population and mental prowess alligns only with genesis. Freaky?
No, wrong.
We have good evidence of speech well before your magical 6,000 year date, as well as thousands of years of history. I am one of those who tells that history -- through archaeology.
Just because you choose not to believe what science has learned doesn't mean it doesn't exist. By closing your ears and your mind you only expose yourself as a religious zealot.

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Message 132 of 153 (470098)
06-09-2008 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by IamJoseph
06-09-2008 4:05 AM


So what is your reasoning we have not a single name recallable from 6001 years - just a co-incidence with genesis? No kings, wars, nations, cities, wheels, dieties, populations - nothingness pre-6000, just alledged fossil imprints for 100s of 1000s of years?
Your insistance on "a name" from prior to 6,000 years ago seems to be an attempt to "prove" young earth and genesis through one of the silliest examples I have ever seen.
(By the way, I notice a name from hundreds of years earlier was provided to you in a previous post. If you are honest you will concede this point.)
Your "no kings, wars, nations, cities, wheels, dieties, populations - nothingness pre-6000" is either a lie or evidence that you are delusional. I deal with archaeological sites and I have evidence from my own work of a lot of things "pre-6000" -- and my colleagues around the world have a lot more such evidence. For you to claim that it does not exist says a lot more about you than it does archaeological evidence. If you are trying to convince others of your views you are in fact doing the opposite.
A serious question: Why are you making such vacuous claims? Are you witnessing, and getting spiritual points for presenting your religious views to non-believers?

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Message 152 of 153 (470670)
06-11-2008 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by IamJoseph
06-11-2008 8:47 PM


Re: What's in a name?
Chauvet Cave, 29,000 to 32,000 years ago
Are you going to just handwave this away too?

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