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Author Topic:   Do atoms confirm or refute the bible?
Faith 
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Message 8 of 153 (359853)
10-30-2006 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by AnswersInGenitals
10-29-2006 2:00 AM


I will start the ball rolling with the second verse of Genesis: "And the earth was without form, and void..." 'Without form' clearly implies that the matter of the earth was continuous and not atomic in nature, for if it were atomic (and molecular), it would have the form of the atoms (and molecules) that make it up. Thus, either Genesis 1.2 or the atomic theory of matter is correct, but not both.
I don't think this follows. You appear to be assuming a particular notion of "form" that the text doesn't. We may speak of a blob of something, say, peanut butter, or spilled milk, as without form, without implying that it is not atomic in nature. This may not be what the text means by "without form" either, of course.

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Message 12 of 153 (359865)
10-30-2006 12:41 PM
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10-30-2006 12:37 PM


See my response to Dr. A in post 9. You seem to be implying here that the words of the bible are entirely subject to ones personal interpretation.
Yes, Dr. A and I seem to be on the same page for once. I would say it is you who are limiting God to a personal interpretation of your own. There are many ways "formless" can be understood. You are insisting on a very limited definition.
Is god really so lacking in communication skills that we have to guess and surmise and debate as to his actual meaning when it is so easy to just take him at his word: The earth, when first formed, was without form. Period. No form at any scale. He said it. I read it. Don't dread it.
Well, you are going to argue for this very narrow definition you personally prefer no matter what anyone else says about it, so I will leave you to it.
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Message 15 of 153 (359872)
10-30-2006 12:57 PM
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10-30-2006 12:46 PM


don't you also do this? Such as with the fall, the flood, creation, sticking with exactly what the bible says?
No, I don't do anything like what AIG is doing. And I'd point out that the Bible does not *say* that "formless" means "without atoms."
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Faith 
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Message 23 of 153 (360529)
11-01-2006 5:17 PM
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11-01-2006 4:10 PM


Re: Deafening silence
Scholars agree that moses didn’t write Genesis.
Not the scholars I take seriously, only a certain class of scholars we believers roll our eyes at.
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