If the Bible is Accurate, why did the Church kill so many?

mike the wiz responds to me:

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Remember when Jacob wrestled with God? So God called him Israel

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No, that's not why Michael renamed him Israel. It's because Jacob comported himself as a prince since Israel means "prince of god."

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Remember how the Israelites went away from God in Exodus?

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No, they went to god. Unless you're talking about the 40 years because of the worship of the golden calf.

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al I was saying about Genesis is that to the reader it is obvious what the story is about.

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Indeed.It is obvious that Adam and Eve were set up, the serpent told the truth, and god lied.

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Have you considered the possibility that the Bible isn't what you think it is? That it was written not by god but rather by the devil?

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Well, personally I do not think God would give the devil that much power.

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Why not? Look what happened to Job.

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I mean, do you really think Jesus is the bad guy ? maybe you should re read his words!

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You mean like where he condemns people to hell? You mean like where he causes a fig tree to wither and die for the horrendous and willful crime of not bearing fruit out of season?You seem to have a very black-and-white view of the situation. Wouldn't someone who was trying to trick you not be blatantly obvious about it?------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Theologian63 writes:

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BTW, if Satan did write the bible why would he include parts about demons (his minions)being cast out and himself looking bad in so many ways?

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Because he's lying! What on earth makes you think he'd tell you the truth about that?

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This is a preposterous proposal. Wouldn't you agree?

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Not at all. It goes to the heart of the appeal to authority. You look to the Bible as if it were infallible and yet you have no justification for why it should be, except for itself, which only compounds the logical error.Think about it...what makes you think god is like the Bible says? Because the Bible says so? And what makes that an actual answer? Suppose god uses the Bible to find out which people will find their way using their god-given intellect, will be brave enough to take a risk including the possibility of being wrong, will take a hard-won gain of knowledge and experience that brings with it a breadth of applicability and a spirit of inquisitiveness and wonder at what more there is to learn and discover...and who will mindlessly look to a book written by anonymous people and interpreted for them by somebody else who had it interpreted for them who had it interpreted for them....If that's the way god is, the Bible might be absolutely true, but you're still not supposed to follow it because god wants you to think for yourself and not take the easy way out.Just how is it you think you know the mind of god?------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Because we (christians) have the mind of Christ.
Christian=people who had received by faith Jesus as their personal Saviour and Lord.

Ah and we christians have experimented the power of God even in situations more stronger than us.That is why we know that Adam and Eve had revelation and were not inocent puppets.
We know that the Bible is the word of God.
But it is not the final authority.
The ultimate authority is the revelation of the Holy Spirit inside the christian .
The same Spirit that inspired the people who wrote it testifies its veracity to us(christians).Without the Holy Spirit no one can fully understand the word of God.It cant be understand by human inteligence.However we are human and sometimes we make mistakes.Also,this revelation is something gradual.It is a learning process.The Holy Spirit brings light about it.There is a fight between our own(human) interpretation and his revelation.The non-christian can only be convinced about sin and about the Gospel by Him but he have to be sensible to his voice.It happens generaly when a christian is talking about the Gospel.

Newborn responds to me:

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Just how is it you think you know the mind of god?

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Because we (christians) have the mind of Christ.

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How do you know?

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Christian=people who had received by faith Jesus as their personal Saviour and Lord.

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Um...wouldn't it be more accurate to say that they claim to have received it from Jesus?And that still doesn't go to my central point:How do we know that god wants you to do it by listening to voices in your head? Perhaps god wants you to ignore such ephemeral things and base your actions on empircal, verifiable, repeatable, external evidence.------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Newborn responds to me:

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Just how is it you think you know the mind of god?

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Ah and we christians have experimented the power of God even in situations more stronger than us.

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But you can't replicate it and other people who were there disagree with you. Therefore, how do you know that you're right and they're wrong? You're just going off your internal feelings and nothing that can be verified. So why should anybody listen to you?

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That is why we know that Adam and Eve had revelation and were not inocent puppets.

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Because a voice in your head told you? That's your justification?

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We know that the Bible is the word of God.

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Why? And why does that mean you're supposed to follow it?

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But it is not the final authority.

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Why not? What makes you think you know the mind of god? Perhaps god is testing you.

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The ultimate authority is the revelation of the Holy Spirit inside the christian .

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There's that voice in your head again....------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!