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Topic: Fulfilled Prophecy
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 25 of 303 (374231)
01-03-2007 9:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 22 by Buzsaw
01-03-2007 9:00 PM
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Re: Not Prophecy but rather Nonsense.
Buzsaw writes: Coinage and hard asset and money has been the norm all through the centuries. Ever hear of the barter system? "Coinage and hard asset and money" are hardly a blip in the history of mankind.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 49 of 303 (374361)
01-04-2007 11:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
01-02-2007 7:37 PM
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The problem is that you misunderstand what prophecy is - or what it was intended to be in the Bible. Most Bible prophecies would fall into the category of "The Assyrians are coming! The Assyrians are coming!" The prophets' role wasn't to tell the people something new or surprizing. Any knowledgeable person could have figured out that the Assyrians were aggressive and would eventually attack Israel. The prophets' role was to give a wake-up call: smarten up and do what God says if you want Him to protect you. The prophets' role was certainly not to tell the people about some time in their distant future, especially not our time. (How infernally arrogant can you get, concluding that every prophecy in the Bible is about me, me, me?) If a prophecy mentions Nebuchadnezzar, it means Nebuchadnezzar - not Alexander or Napoleon. If you're going to talk about "fulfilled prophecy", you have to look at what was prophesied and what happened after - to the people the prophets were talking to. All you're doing is looking in your own back yard and claiming that the Bible predicted your birdbath.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 75 of 303 (374850)
01-05-2007 11:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 73 by Hyroglyphx
01-05-2007 10:30 PM
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Re: SOON, IN A THEATER NEAR YOU, BUZ`S PREDICTIONS FOR 2007 (MAY BE?)
nemesis_juggernaut writes: From the little I have seen, Buz seems to be offering his analysis on the scriptures in question. Maybe Buz doesn't have the gift of analysis either?
I should add that his interpretation is not far off from the majority of Christian scholarship. I presume you are discounting "liberal" Christian scholarship.
From the little I have read it seems sound, doctrinally. Don't confuse prophecy with doctrine. Edited by Ringo, : Converted verb "prophesy" to noun "prophecy". 
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ringo
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Re: SOON, IN A THEATER NEAR YOU, BUZ`S PREDICTIONS FOR 2007 (MAY BE?)
nemesis_juggernaut writes: Specific dates ruin the integrity of the prophecy by creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. But any prophecy can be "self-fulfilling" in the sense that believers can fake it just to "prove" that prophecy works. For example, Jesus could have deliberately ridden a donkey into Jerusalem "so that the prophecy would be fulfilled". Why would specific dates make that more likely?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 122 of 303 (375108)
01-07-2007 11:33 AM
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Reply to: Message 120 by Phat
01-07-2007 11:14 AM
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Re: Fulfilled Prophecy
Phat writes: Obviously, not many believe that Jesus would deliberately attempt to mislead and/or confirm His own legend by deliberately riding a donkey into Jerusalem only to confirm prophecy. It's certainly a possibility. (And this is a science thread. Neither "how many" nor "belief" have any relevance.  )
Why is it that people look for proof? What is it that we want the proof for? That's a question to ask the prophecy-mongers. Why do they feel the need to torture and maim the Bible to prop up their belief in fulfillment of prophecy? (But the topic isn't the psychology of weak faith. ) Edited by Ringo, : Replaced a misplaced conjunction with a different misplaced conjunction.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Proof or belief?
mike the wiz writes: It's unfair to expect a skeptic to believe, when he has no reason to. I think your characterization of "skeptic" is a bit unfair. A skeptic might be somebody who doesn't believe in prophecy in general, or it might be somebody who is skeptical of Bible prophecy in particular, or it might be somebody who is skeptical of one particular brand of Bible prophecy. We have all of those kinds of skeptics on this thread. Different "kinds" of skeptics require different kinds of "proof". Those who are skeptical of prophecy in general might require empirical "proof", as you suggest. But those who are skeptical of Bible prophecy in particular might just want to compare the Bible's track record with the Vedas or the Tao of Pooh. And those who are are skeptical of Buz-brand prophecy (or the knock-off NJ brand) might just want the text to show what is claimed and/or events to confirm the text.
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ringo
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Re: you're just not reading
arachnophilia writes: most of the tribes of israel are still missing. Have you tried looking in Utah?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 151 of 303 (375470)
01-08-2007 7:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 149 by Buzsaw
01-08-2007 7:16 PM
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Re: Proof or belief?
Buzsaw writes: Because for any of them to admit to even one tiny miracle would be to destroy their secularist mindset. That is completely false. I, for one, would be only too glad to accept any or all of your interpretations if there was any evidence to bear you out. You deleude yourself if you think the "skeptics" have any motivation other than following the evidence.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 161 of 303 (375530)
01-08-2007 11:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 158 by Buzsaw
01-08-2007 10:18 PM
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Re: Proof or belief?
Buzsaw writes: How about you spend a little more of your time reading and assimilating the evidence.... I think I told you once that my all-time favorite pastor was a "prophecy nut" (no offense intended) just like you. I would have given an arm and a leg to be able to believe his (and your) interpreations of prophecy. I spent a very, very, very long time trying very, very hard to find anything believable in it. Do not accuse me of not having done my homework. Others on this thread have shown the abysmal level of your "scholarship". There is no need for me to add to that. You can run away from the evidence but you can not make it go away. Do not make assumptions about my motivations and do not make false accusations about me.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 170 of 303 (375549)
01-09-2007 12:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 166 by Buzsaw
01-08-2007 11:47 PM
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Re: Proof or belief?
Buzsaw writes: How about copying and pasting some evidence in #99 about Nahum 1 and prove to me and the www that the context is about Ninevah.... Blah blah blah.... That has been done by others on this thread and on countless other threads. You have ignored and ignored and ignored the refutations. What good would it do for me to repeat them? I pointed out your childish ad hominem attacks against the skeptics and all you do is come back with more childish ad hominem attacks. Can we count on your admin alter ego to discipline yourself?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 187 of 303 (375782)
01-09-2007 11:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 185 by Buzsaw
01-09-2007 10:49 PM
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Re: Proof or belief?
Buzsaw writes: ... lay off rudly maligning the member you're debating. You were the one who rudely maligned "skeptics" by claiming that they "want" to disbelieve. All I did was expose your malignant rudeness.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 236 of 303 (376371)
01-11-2007 11:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 234 by Buzsaw
01-11-2007 11:01 PM
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Re: Were Prophets Historians Or Prophets?
What Crash said. I touched on that earlier in the thread, Message 49. Short-range prophecy.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: So is that yes?
arachnophilia writes: unfortunately, prefixes aren't cataloged in concordances, so i can't give you statistics on that. so you'll have to trust me. it means "and." For what it's worth, in the Old Testament (KJV): "and" appears 40987 times in 18292 verses, "but" appears 2324 times in 2193 verses. e-Sword (I didn't check them all, so I can't say for sure that they all come from the vav-prefix.  )
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