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ReverendDG
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Message 127 of 303 (375124)
01-07-2007 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by johnfolton
01-07-2007 11:51 AM


Re: dates
Jesus (son of man) Christ (Son of God) which is why we call him the Christ the Son of God. Immanuel interpreted means God with us, in the Gospel of Matthew it refers to the virgin birth and that they shall call his name Emmanuel.
jesus was a pretty damn common name back before the first century ad, now no one names thier kid jesus, at least not in our culture, because they think its special when its not. christ is a title not a name, depite how we use it, its an english translation of a greek word from a hebrew word
and immanuel means god is with us, not god with us, its a sign to ahaz that god was supporting him, not that god was really a human!
no matthew says his name will be JESUS and someone tacked on the immanuel part at the end to give the prophecy some legitimacy
and if the part about immanuel is about a virgin birth then there were two virgin births because a verse or two later it talks about the birth
The virgin birth is the sign of the Lord birth to not Ahaz but to the House of David. How the Lord Jesus is the only true heir to the throne of David. That Jesus is of the seed of David yet not be bound by the curse of Jeconiah to Solomons decendants to the throne of David. There is a whole lot of prophecy in Isaiah however kjv Isaiah 9:7 is clearly talking about the throne of David and that the zeal of the Lord will preform this. All will all come to pass which is why Christians say: Even so, come, Lord Jesus. Revelation 22:20
no, it says right there in the text, it will be a sign of gods backing of ahaz, via the birth of this child, it says it right there in isaiah, you can't twist it any other way.
he can't be the messiah he's not the son of anyone decended from david, his mother doesn't countm even if he was a blood reletive to joseph, the curse would count he's not exempt from the curse since he would be fully human!
where do you get the idea that jesus would be exempt? he has to be related to joseph to be the messiah and joseph makes him unable to be messiah, and he's not blood related to joseph anyway, but the "son" of god, which makes him unable to be messiah anyway
the thing is theres nothing to stand on that would allow jesus to be messiah, no matter how much logical twisting you do

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ReverendDG
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Message 143 of 303 (375251)
01-08-2007 3:23 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by ringo
01-08-2007 12:17 AM


Re: you're just not reading
Have you tried looking in Utah?
don't you mean on reservations?

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ReverendDG
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Message 144 of 303 (375252)
01-08-2007 3:35 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by johnfolton
01-07-2007 3:38 PM


Re: dates
Actually the KJV says its interpreted God with us not god is with us in reference to Immanuel
yes and the KJV is a corrupt translation and tries to perpetulate lies
kjv Isaiah 9:6-7 This child government would be an everlasting government. Ahaz child was never named Immanuel (meaning God with us) not God is with us, etc... God is with us is part of the stumbling block why its a rock of offense to both houses of Israel, and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for God has hidden his face from the house of Jacob which is why they missed the visitation and the Age of the Gentile. kjv Isaiah 8:14
sorry you are just wrong and so is the KJV, its a bad translation of a translation
http://www.biblicalresources.info/pages/isaiah/immanuel.html
a nice explaination of what it means
Isaiah 8:10 ("Take counsel together, but it will come to nothing; Speak the word, but it will not stand, For God is with us").
and the child is of isaiah not ahaz, he would be a sign from god, that god is with ahaz and israel aganst his foes
Were in the Age of the Gentiles too A Christian the Lord Jesus is a Sanctuary not a rock of offense. However prophecy talks of the Jewish people repenting when the Lord Jesus returns for his prophecied 1000 year government from Jerusalem where Gentiles too will rule and reign with Christ. kjv Isaiah 9:7 revelation 20:4-7
why is this even relevent? its just a bunch of scripture glued togathe and renders it meaningless without context
Christian doctrine is such that we believe that any spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God. kjv 1 John 4:3
why is this relevent?
Christians believe Jesus Christ is God with us not that God is with us but that in him dwelleth all the fullness of the godhead bodily. kjv Col 2:9
thats nice but 'god is with us' is what immanuel means, are you going to argue with a whole nation of people who know thier own nameing convention and 4 thousand years of biblical history?
Its now whosoever recieves him not just the Jew can become sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. kjv john 1:12
did i say anyone couldn't god created us, we are all sons of god or daughters as well, of course people need to explain to me how jesus is the only son of god, since theres a lot of people called son of god in the bible

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ReverendDG
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Message 241 of 303 (376423)
01-12-2007 3:40 AM
Reply to: Message 234 by Buzsaw
01-11-2007 11:01 PM


Re: Were Prophets Historians Or Prophets?
Question for prophecy skeptics: Were the Biblical books of prophecy, known over the centuries as the prophetic scriptures historical or prophetic? Were those prophets historians as most of you prophecy skeptics appear to imply or were they prophets of future events which were to be fulfilled at some period after they were given?
no, they were the mouth piece of god, what you are doing is equating being a prophit with being an oracle, which not the same, a person saying "god will do this in one year", is not the same as saying "you will find wealth or great fortue or be blessed" god is tell prophets what he wants people to do
the problem is prophets are not oracles as the christians want to think they are, yes some prophecies might be for the future, not its not very far in the future and it impacted the prophets life time
Are the colleges and seminaries, the majority of studied theologians over the decades and centuries all mistaken in labeling these books the prophetic scriptures?
the apolgetic ones are, the ones that believe the OT is about jesus are, that the NT is a conteniuation of the OT are

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