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Message 93 of 303 (374986)
01-06-2007 4:45 PM
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01-06-2007 1:54 PM


Re: dates
see, isaiah delivers a prophecy to king ahaz, that he will defeat the assyrians. concrete terms. isaiah says to ahaz, "ask of god a sign of your choosing." when ahaz objects, isaiah gives him one.
Ahaz refused to ask for a sign of the Lord thy God so the sign of the Lord God was given by the Lord to the House of David. The sign in reference to the Lord thy God was that Immanuel would be born of a virgin. This is about the virgin birth of Christ as was prophesied by Isaiah by the Lord to the House of David.
kjv Isaiah 7:11 Ask thee a sign of the Lord thy God: ask in either the depth, or the height above.
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Message 123 of 303 (375111)
01-07-2007 11:51 AM
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Re: dates
how do you get christ, who was not named immanuel, born some 600 years later, and virgin birth from this passage? it's just not what it's about.
Jesus (son of man) Christ (Son of God) which is why we call him the Christ the Son of God. Immanuel interpreted means God with us, in the Gospel of Matthew it refers to the virgin birth and that they shall call his name Emmanuel.
The virgin birth is the sign of the Lord birth to not Ahaz but to the House of David. How the Lord Jesus is the only true heir to the throne of David. That Jesus is of the seed of David yet not be bound by the curse of Jeconiah to Solomons decendants to the throne of David. There is a whole lot of prophecy in Isaiah however kjv Isaiah 9:7 is clearly talking about the throne of David and that the zeal of the Lord will preform this. All will all come to pass which is why Christians say: Even so, come, Lord Jesus. Revelation 22:20
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Message 128 of 303 (375130)
01-07-2007 3:38 PM
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01-07-2007 2:21 PM


Re: dates
immanuel means god is with us, not god with us, its a sign to ahaz that god was supporting him, not that god was really a human!
Actually the KJV says its interpreted God with us not god is with us in reference to Immanuel.
kjv Isaiah 9:6-7 This child government would be an everlasting government. Ahaz child was never named Immanuel (meaning God with us) not God is with us, etc... God is with us is part of the stumbling block why its a rock of offense to both houses of Israel, and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for God has hidden his face from the house of Jacob which is why they missed the visitation and the Age of the Gentile. kjv Isaiah 8:14
Were in the Age of the Gentiles too A Christian the Lord Jesus is a Sanctuary not a rock of offense. However prophecy talks of the Jewish people repenting when the Lord Jesus returns for his prophecied 1000 year government from Jerusalem where Gentiles too will rule and reign with Christ. kjv Isaiah 9:7 revelation 20:4-7
Christian doctrine is such that we believe that any spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God. kjv 1 John 4:3
Christians believe Jesus Christ is God with us not that God is with us but that in him dwelleth all the fullness of the godhead bodily. kjv Col 2:9
Its now whosoever recieves him not just the Jew can become sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. kjv john 1:12
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Message 131 of 303 (375188)
01-07-2007 8:31 PM
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Re: dates
this passage is not about the heir to the throne. in fact, this passage cannot even be messianic, as there is no need for a messiah at time these words were spoken. the messiah is primarily defined by sitting on the throne, and there was already a member of the david's house on the throne. ahaz. until israel is lost, and judah in exile, and the line of david is broken, claiming anything as messianic is ridiculous.
God said to Solomon that he would rend the kingdom from him and give it to his servant. It goes on to say that he kept one tribe for Davids sake and for Jerusalem's sake.
The Lords geneologies goes thru Nathan and not Solomon to David is due to Gods anger with Solomon and the Jeconiah curse that none of Jeconiah seed would prosper sitting upon the throne of David and ruling anymore in Judah.
Jeconiah's son didn't prosper his rule was cut short in agreement with the prophesy.
It says behold the days come saith the Lord that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch and a King shall reign and prosper and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will shall dwell safely and that his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord our Righteousness. kjv Jeremiah 23:5
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Message 145 of 303 (375271)
01-08-2007 7:18 AM
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Re: dates
did i say anyone couldn't god created us, we are all sons of god or daughters as well, of course people need to explain to me how jesus is the only son of god, since theres a lot of people called son of god in the bible
Its said that were all biological sons of God thru Adam being created by God but Christians when they are spiritually reborn become the sons of God thru Christ because Christ is spiritually the Son of God, The Word, the only begotten of the Father(true light of true light).
The Gospel of John explains that he is the Word that the only begotten of the Father was sent and that he was not of this world and that those that are spiritually reborn of God in Christ are not of this world but in this world.
This is why the Virgin birth satisfies the Lords geneologies going thru Nathan that biologically The Lord Jesus is the son of David going thru Nathan. The biological blood line expressed in Luke is not a contradiction but a confirmation of Genesis that Jesus was made of a woman. The seed of a woman as expressed in genesis and galatians but that does not mean he is not the son of Joesph but only that he is not the biological son of Joesph.
He is the son of Joesph thru Joesph marriage to Mary but his biological genes however goes thru Mary. Galatians confirms that he was made of a Woman and scripture in Genesis too refers to the seed of the woman. It was a virgin birth, etc...
This is how the Lord Jesus is the rightful heir to the throne of David thru Solomon by his adoption by Joesph but that his biological blood line goes thru Nathan to his being the son of David.
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Message 146 of 303 (375272)
01-08-2007 7:28 AM
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01-07-2007 11:36 PM


Re: you're just not reading
The Lords geneologies goes thru Nathan and not Solomon to David is due to Gods anger with Solomon
read matthew again:
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Mat 1:7 And Solomon begat Roboam;
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i am forced to believe you have never read matthew. solomon is not 7 verses in!
He was adopted by Joesph his biological genes go thru Nathan, matthews genologies and lukes geneologies do not conflict but confirm that the virgin birth prophecy was fullfilled.
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The Genealogies of Jesus Christ:
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Message 148 of 303 (375343)
01-08-2007 11:40 AM
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Re: you're just not reading
The virgin birth prophecy in Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled in Isaiah 8:
Mahershalahashbaz is a different prophecy was fullfilled when Assyria took the riches of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria was taken away before the king of Assyria.
The reference to O Immanuel is that even though Assyria overfilled the breath of the land that God was with them.
Mahershalahashbaz was warned not to take counsel against this prophecy for it would not stand for God was with them.
Mahershalahashbaz is being warned not to walk in the ways of this people. Instead to Sanctify the Lord of hosts himself, and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
And he shall be for a sanctuary but a rock and an offence to both the houses of Israel for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. And I will wait upon the Lord that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.
kjv Isaiah 9:17 Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, "but" his hand is stretched out still.
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Message 157 of 303 (375514)
01-08-2007 10:12 PM
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Virgin Birth: Sept 11, 3 BC : Rev 12:1-2
kjv Matthew 1:25 The Word says that Joesph was married to Mary but he knew her not until after the birth of the Lord Jesus. Thus if no man knew Mary and scripture says he was made of a woman in the epistle to the galatians, the seed of the woman in the book of Genesis.
The date of the virgin birth prophecy fullfillment happened when the constellation "Virgo" was in eclipse with the sun and with the moon under her feet on Sept 11, 3BC. Revelation 12:1-2.
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Revelation 12:1-2 says, "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered." In 3 B.C., it was on Wednesday, September 11th, which was the only day when the constellation Virgo (represented as a woman) clothed with the sun as it entered the mid-body in its ecliptic course had the moon under her feet. Thus, it was during this day, when Jesus Christ was born.
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Message 162 of 303 (375531)
01-08-2007 11:19 PM
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01-08-2007 10:34 PM


Re: Virgin Birth: Sept 11, 3 BC : Rev 12:1-2
It says the wisemen worshipped the Lord Jesus bringing gifts of gold, incense, and mryh. The gold for his being King and overcoming Satan and incense for his being God of heaven and earth and that he would rise from the dead, Myrrh his passion and drinking bitter gall and feel the pains of hell from Satan, etc...
The greek word for virgin in Matthew 1:23 means: an unmarried girl thats a virgin. Its called a confirmation in agreement with the Isaiah prophecy meaning a virgin would give birth to Immanuel.
I have not much more to say on the virgin birth, people will believe whatever they believe.
In respect to the gifts of gold, incense, and myrrh that the wisemen brought to honor the birth of the Lord Jesus. It is interesting that the Gold arrived just before the Lord Jesus was taken into Egypt and that the Lord coming out of Egypt too was prophecied including the wisemen honoring the Lord being God of heaven and earth all from the sacred texts in respect to Adam and Eve written long before Emmanuels birth.
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17 He then turned to his son Seth, and to Eve his wife, and said to them, "Preserve this gold, this incense, and this myrrh, that God has given us for a sign; for in days that are coming, a flood will overwhelm the whole creation. But those who shall go into the ark shall take with them the gold, the incense, and the myrrh, together with my body; and will lay the gold, the incense, and the myrrh, with my body in the midst of the earth.
18 "Then, after a long time, the city in which the gold, the incense, and the myrrh are found with my body, shall be plundered. But when it is spoiled, the gold the incense, and the myrrh shall be taken care of with the spoil that is kept; and naught of them shall perish, until the Word of God, made man shall come; when kings shall take them, and shall offer to Him, gold in token of His being King; incense, in token of His being God of heaven and earth; and myrrh, in token of His passion.
19 "Gold also, as a token of His overcoming Satan, and all our foes; incense as a token that He will rise from the dead, and be exalted above things in heaven and things in the earth; and myrrh, in token that He will drink bitter gall; and feel the pains of hell from Satan.
20 "And now, O Seth, my son, behold I have revealed unto thee hidden mysteries, which God had revealed unto me. Keep my commandment, for thyself, and for thy people,"
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/fbe/fbe096.htm
http://www.worldofchristmas.net/actual-christ-birth.html
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Message 167 of 303 (375544)
01-08-2007 11:52 PM
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01-08-2007 11:32 PM


Re: Virgin Birth: Sept 11, 3 BC : Rev 12:1-2
I'm sorry when I read Isaiah 7:14 could not find where it says that Ahaz son was called Immanuel. A girl concieving is not much of a sign but a virgin giving birth to Immanuel is the Lord himself giving you a sign in agreement with Isaiah 7:14.
The sign too me is its a virgin birth, Ahaz never called his son Immanuel and Isaiah chapter 8 is a whole different prophecy.
I've already addressed Isaiah 8:, that its in concerning naming Mahershalahashbaz that was born unto the prophetess and the trouble times in his time in respect to Assyria and the Lord hiding his face from the house of Jacob, that his anger not being turned away but his hand is stretched out still. kjv Isaiah 9:17.
http://www.worldofchristmas.net/actual-christ-birth.html
kjv Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
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Message 174 of 303 (375562)
01-09-2007 12:34 AM
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Re: Virgin Birth: Sept 11, 3 BC : Rev 12:1-2
kjv Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Therefore the Lord "himself" shall give you a sign;
Remember this is a sign given to the House of David. A future tense something to watch for, etc...
A girl getting pregnant and having a child is not a sign but a virgin giving birth was the sign given by the Lord "himself".
However in the virgin giving birth was the Lord himself was made of a woman is in agreement with "correlative scripture" that Mary was a virgin in accordance of scripture.
Galatians 4:4 says he was made of a woman, made under the law. Genesis 3:15 also mentions the seed of a woman.
This prophecy of the seed of a woman written by God in Genesis was written before Isaiah time. The correlative scripture before and after Isaiah which pretty much seals the virgin birth.
Biologically Jesus biological Father genes was Marys father because Jesus was made of a woman. The geneologies of Luke confirm Jesus Genes go thru Mary to David. There is no other way around it if he was made of a womans seed thus Mary was a virgin. Eve was made from the rib of Adam thus you have a presecedent that the sign was given by the Lord "himself" in respect to the virgin birth.
The Wisemen worshipped the Lord Jesus thus you have your evidence of his being worshipped as Emmanuel. kjv Matthew 2:11
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Message 178 of 303 (375620)
01-09-2007 10:40 AM
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Re: Virgin Birth: Sept 11, 3 BC : Rev 12:1-2
If Isaiah 7 meant to describe a virgin birth then why did Isaiah not emphasise the virginity of the girl by using "betulah" instead of "almah" ?
"The word yalda would have been inappropriate in Isaiah 7:14 because it refers to a child. Likewise na'arah would have been the more normal choice if a young woman had been the object of Isaiah’s thought, for it is used of both married and unmarried women. Some say that if Isaiah had really wanted to denote virginity he would have used bethulah which primarily denotes virginity. However, bethulah was used of widows and others who had experienced coitus. Furthermore, a bethulah can be a woman of any age, making the word difficult to qualify as a specific sign. The evidence supports both the traditional translation of “virgin” and the modern translation of “young woman,” but each must be qualified. The English term “virgin” does not suggest age limitations while the English phrase “young woman” does not suggest virginity. The word almah demands both, and so a more accurate translation would be “young virgin.” [Niessen]
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Message 199 of 303 (375856)
01-10-2007 11:45 AM
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Re: So let's look at Nahum
That is the NIV version spidey.
It then says that even though GOD protects those He favors, She can show anger to others.
11 From you, O Nineveh , has one come forth
who plots evil against the LORD
and counsels wickedness.
How is not your NIV bible version not an example conselling wickedness as mentioned in Nahum 1:11. The word HOLY has not been excised from the authorized King James Bible it has from the NIV bible.
This is part of the problem with the interpretion of scripture is that these bible versions have been substituted for the HOLY BIBLE so while you profess to be Christians you are not using a HOLY BIBLE. In Fact the word Holy too has been excised from the NIV. The feminizing of the bible where you mention God as she can show anger is simply because you are using a counterfiet bible one that perverts the bible including the virgin birth by changing the Words to say the Childs Father when the Word says that Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken by him.
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The NIV perverts the virgin birth!
LUKE 2:33: The King James Bible reads, "And JOSEPH and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him." The NIV reads, "The CHILD'S FATHER and mother marveled at what was said about him." The "CHILD'S FATHER"? Was Joseph Jesus's father? Not if you believe the virgin birth! Not if you believe John 3:16, that Jesus Christ was the Son of God! A subtil, "perversion" of the virgin birth. See also Luke 2:43.
NIV Exposed
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Message 229 of 303 (376197)
01-11-2007 11:54 AM


Mystery Babylon future tense judgment
The Lord is slow to anger and great inpower, and will not at all acquit the wicked: The Lord has his way in the whirlwind and in th storm and the clouds are the dust of his feet. kjv nahum 1:3
Katrina?
There is one come out of thee that imagineth evil against the LORD a wicked counsellor. kjv nahum 1:11
One comes out of Ninevah that imagineth evil against the Lord a wicked counsellor?
For now will I break his yoke from off thee, and will burst the bonds in sunder. kjv nahum 1:13
For Now I break his yoke however is both present and reference to a future tense.(the Mystery Babylon) for God will not acquit the wicked (naham 1:3)yet the Lord is a stronghold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him. kjv naham 1:7.
are thou better than populos No, that was situate among the rivers that had the waters round about it, whose rampart was the sea, and her wall was from the sea? kjv nahum 2:8
Are you better than populos from judgment?
Ethopia and Egypt were her strength, and it was infinite; Put and Lubim were thy helpers. kjv nahum 2:9
Yet was she carried away, she went into captivity; naham 2:10 [/qs]
Even though her strength was infinite she was carried away and went into captivity.
shepherds slumber, O king of Assyria thy nobles shall dwell in the dust, thy people is scattered upon the mountains and no man gathereth them. nahum 3:18
They were destroyed: In revelation you see another Babylon has arisen
The Mystery of Babylon the Great) The mother of harlots and abominations of the earth will be too, destroyed. Rev. 17: & Rev 18:
It says the Great Whore will be burn't with fire because of the hatred of the ten horns but what is interesting is the Great Whore is a City which reigneth over the kings of the earth. kjv Rev 17:16:17
It has a harbor much like popolos, and Ninevah, and it too makes the merchants rich by her costliness, and will be totally destroyed future tense, etc...
for in one hour so great riches is come to nought, And every shipmaster and all the company in ships and sailors, and as many as trade by the sea, stood afar off and cried when they saw the smoke of her burning saying what city is like unto this great city.
Rejoice over her thou heaven and ye holy apostles and prophets for God hath avenged you on her. kjv rev 18:
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Message 287 of 303 (377380)
01-16-2007 2:39 PM
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Re: Mystery Babylon future tense judgment
assyria.
assyria fell in 612 bc, right around the time nahum was written. babylon took over as the dominant kingdom in the area, and conquered judah some 30 or 40 years later.
assyria ≠ babylon.
If the root word for Nineveh can mean the capital of Assyria.
kjv Nahum 2:8
But Nineveh (capital of Assyria) is of old like a pool of water: yet they shall flee away, Stand,stand shall they cry; but none shall look back.
Naham 2:2 says basically that the Lord has turned away the excellency of Jacob.
Naham 2:8 agrees with you that the Assyria is of old like the Niveveh of old that has captured Jacob and emptied them out.
Naham 1:13 Was fullfilled when the Israelites came out of captivity this prophecy has already been fullfilled.
Naham 3:18-19 Is about how the Lord would be fullfilling Naham 1:13 in respect to the Assyrian Captials burden to the world. This burden while they would no more be called the lady of kingdoms Isaiah 47:5 and that kjv naham 3:19 its wickedness passed continually? explains Mystery Babylon kjv rev. 17:5
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