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Archer Opteryx
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Message 9 of 303 (373886)
01-03-2007 1:25 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Taz
01-03-2007 12:38 AM


Literal Minds in Wonderland
gasby:
If anything, we should lay the blame on the writing style of the past. In this day and age, we communicate with each other directly without beating around the bushes.
It's not a past-present thing so much. Surrealism has always been with us, and so have literal mindsets. I'd flip this. The blame lies with the mentality that seeks linear meanings in complex symbols.
Surrealism has its value. Alice in Wonderland is an evocative, fascinating book. One can find new meanings (and amusement) in its images throughout one's life. But it is not the book to consult if you're in a car trying to navigate the UK. One can't get to Glasgow from Sussex by driving your car down a rabbit hole.
One can say 'Oh, I know the rabbit hole is not literal. I'm not that naive. I understand the rabbit hole is a symbol. It is necessary for me to interpret the rabbit hole correctly so I will understand what highway it means for me to take.'
Playing that game is not likely to get one to Glasgow in short order, either. One is better off throwing Wonderland in the back seat for a while and consulting a map.
Surrealism is complex by nature. It deals in multilayered symbols that speak to the unconscious mind at least as much as the consicous mind. Its symbols represent whole constellations of things. Surrealist art is not code of the linear '1 = A, 2 = B' sort.
But maps are. Maps are simple. They are meant to be read in linear fashion: this graphic equals a two-lane highway, this one a four-lane highway, this color a toll road. 1 = A, 2 = B, item for item. Code.
Reading a complex work as a linear one guarantees that the interpreter will miss the destination before pulling away from the curb.
The complexity of symbols is an important reason why surrealist works fascinate people so much. It's why highly symbolic forms of expression retain power long after a map issued on the same date becomes obsolete. But it's also why linear interpreters can churn out one idea after another over generations. Countless layers can fuel countless simplistic interpretations.
This also explains why would-be prophecy interpreters are so bad at actually predicting anything... but so very good at coming along after an event and pointing to a passage and saying 'See--this was all foretold!'
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Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 137 of 303 (375232)
01-08-2007 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by arachnophilia
01-06-2007 2:28 PM


A burden given unto Archer Opterix
A burden given to Archer Opterix concerning fundamentalists.
I predict that between now and the year 2030, surprising new events will happen, surprising new discoveries will be made, and surprising new stuff will be invented.
I further predict that between now and the time the surprising events, discoveries, and stuff happen, are made, or are invented, the fundies won't see it coming any more than any other segment of the general public.
I further predict that after the surprising events, discoveries, and stuff happen, are made, or are invented, the fundies will be saying they knew it all along because their Bible foretold it.
The passages they cite will be taken out of context. None will actually mention the events, discoveries, and things the fundies claim. Yet the fundies will not only insist that their interpretation is obvious, they will stigmatize as immoral anyone who doesn't understand the passages as they do. Logically they will be casting the same moral aspersions on all persons in our own time, including all of today's fundies. Including their present selves.
This is a prediction you can take to the bank. Revisit this message two decades from now and you will find every word fulfilled.
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Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 204 of 303 (375880)
01-10-2007 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by johnfolton
01-10-2007 11:45 AM


evangelicals counsel wickedness
How is not your NIV bible version not an example conselling wickedness as mentioned in Nahum 1:11.
Let it be noted that the New International Version was produced by evangelicals.
I knew those people were up to no good!
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Archer Opteryx
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Message 248 of 303 (376490)
01-12-2007 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by arachnophilia
01-12-2007 3:20 AM


Re: So is that yes?
it's generally translated "and." unfortunately, prefixes aren't cataloged in concordances, so i can't give you statistics on that. so you'll have to trust me. it means "and."
Is it vav at the center of a similar switcheroo in the Song of Songs?
The consensus among scholars is that the Shulamite woman says 'I am black and beautiful.' (1.5)
oremus Bible Browser : Song of Songs 1.5
The King James Version says 'I am black but' beautiful.
oremus Bible Browser : Song of Songs 1.5
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Archer
All species are transitional.

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