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Author Topic:   Fulfilled Prophecy
mike the wiz
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Message 124 of 303 (375113)
01-07-2007 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Phat
01-07-2007 11:14 AM


Proof orbelief?
Why is it that people look for proof?
Because it proves it.
Many people aren't willing to believe because that's what they believe the motive of the evangelist is.
Prophecies, and proof. Well, nowadays I see prophecies as potentially persuasive at best, but they'll always commit a host of falacies unfortunately, which is unsatisfactory to a skeptic. It's unfair to expect a skeptic to believe, when he has no reason to.
So it's the Theist claimant that has the burden of proof. I think it's far wiser to simply not claim anything, because there's no point. Those prophecies will never meet an objective standard, because essentially, they don't prove it. If Jesus is God, then he knows this. If he's not worried about it, why should I be?
I discovered that it's only when you DO the homework, that you find out that the skeptic isn't lying in order to refute your personal religion.
Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.

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mike the wiz
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Message 181 of 303 (375678)
01-09-2007 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by Buzsaw
01-08-2007 7:16 PM


Re: Proof orbelief?
Hi Buz.
I infact was referring to skeptics in general, not just skeptics in this thread, as Phat usually is simply inquisitive.
Sorry if I caused trouble.
Because for any of them to admit to even one tiny miracle would be to destroy their secularist mindset.
I think the problem is, that to die-hard believers, it's one tiny miracle, but to a skeptic, it's one hell of a claim that goes contrary to what natural law dictates.
I think for that reason, they seek an extraordinarily air-tight and specific, clear-cut case. Even then, from a neutral perspective, one could only argue that this was inexplicable, unless it was proved that it was God.
It's simply a clash between a dedicated Christian fundamental believer, such as you, and those who have no belief in miracles. Or those with belief in miracles, but with the opinion that they're not proven.
I've seen a fair bit of evidence that shows that basically we all have different interpretations, yet we apparently have the same belief. For that reason, it's best to not claim too much, as hindsight shows that the end of the world didn't happen.

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