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Author Topic:   Contradictions: Hint that Genesis 1 and 2 are Allegorical
Phat
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Message 44 of 100 (742774)
11-24-2014 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by jar
11-24-2014 3:42 PM


jar writes:

Jesus was simply wrong. We've learned quite a bit more than Jesus could have possibly known

Its sad that you state this so casually.

Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo

One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo


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Phat
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Message 56 of 100 (743534)
12-02-2014 4:51 AM
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11-24-2014 4:14 PM


Re: taking pieces parts out
jar writes:

Why should Jesus know all the things we have learned over the last 2000 years?

In my belief, Jesus is eternal and has thus lived (and lives) a lot longer than the rest of us humanoids. Perhaps an argument can be made between you and I that Jesus was jess human for 33 years...in which case you may have a point, but I believe that His Father was an excellent teacher and that Jesus while on earth was a brilliant thinker. After all, even Solomon had a lot of wisdom, and Solomon is still daid.

Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo

One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo


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Phat
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Message 58 of 100 (743549)
12-02-2014 10:10 AM
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12-02-2014 8:28 AM


The Charge Of The Light Brigade
jar writes:

In the Bible the God character does not know what is going on and whether or not what She has heard is true and so goes on walkabout to find out.

Show me what scripture you mean for your example. Also keep in mind that even if what you say is true and that human authors were simply interpreting a "God character" with their own vain imaginations, the God character is quite different in NT writings. I see no fumbling, learning God there. Your entire philosophy as to who God is, whether or not it matters, what responsibility humans now have, and what reality suggests that we use to better understand ourselves and apply to our lives is eccentric. I personally think it was all those Jews you grew up with. I grew up quite close to a large Jewish family that had nine kids. They were always funnin me about the plastic Jesus on the dashboard. They believed that humans had a responsibility to try and do whats best in life...a task that we ourselves must figure out. It sounded really similar to your own personal philosophy.

If you are a Cradle Creedal Christian, however...as you claim, you are ignoring the part of the Creed that shows who Jesus is now. He is not simply the carpenters son long dead.

...one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father
I fear that your Jewish inspired upbringing coupled with the christian boarding school that required you to employ critical thinking led you to conclude that Jesus is nothing greater than you or I.

If God does not know what is going on then why should anyone expect Jesus to know what we have learned over the last 2000 years?
If God (or the God character) does not know what is going on, where does the authority of the charge that compels us to inspire and live our own lives to the best of our ability and to acknowledge when we error, repent, and redirect our path come from?

I will agree that the charge is sound. What I won't easily accept is that GOD if GOD exists is unknowable and that humans are left entirely on our own in this realm and time that we live in.

I also disagree with the minimization of the significance of Jesus which you preach.


Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo

One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo


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Phat
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Message 60 of 100 (743564)
12-02-2014 12:08 PM
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12-02-2014 10:47 AM


Re: The Charge Of The Light Brigade
jar writes:

That charge would still be valid whether it came from God or Jesus or Satan or Buddha or Mencius or Confucius or Coyote or Raven or Ganesha or Isis or ...

It is the content that is important, not the source.

Did it ever occur to you that we are the content of the source? We are created in the image of GOD. We cant simply make up whatever source we choose. Well...we can but it is unadvisable.

Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo

One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo


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