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jar Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
CRR writes: So you're suggesting that Moses knowingly put two contradictory accounts side by side? Or was he too stupid to notice? No, Moses would have understood these as two complementary versions, and they have been read that way for thousands of years. People thousands of years ago were just as intelligent as we are. Actually there was an article I saw several years ago suggesting people are becoming less intelligent. What people are saying is that Moses, if Moses actually existed, had absolutely nothing to do with writting anything in Genesis. And yes, a very valid issue I've often discussed is why so often two completely contradictory tales got included in the books that were accepted to become canonized as was done with Genesis 1 and Genesis 2&3 and even more with the two flood myths found in Genesis 6&7.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
jar writes:
Notice the plethora of very precise chronology in the following passage: flood myths "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened. And rain fell upon the earth for forty days and forty nights ... and the waters prevailed upon the earth for a hundred and fifty days ... At the end of a hundred and fifty days the waters had abated , and in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark come to rest on the mountains of Ararat. And the waters continued to abate until the tenth month; in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the mountains were seen ... In the six hundred and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month ... Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and behold the face of the ground was dry. In the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, the earth was dry." Genesis 7:11- 8:5. Does this read like a myth? I don't think so. It reads like real history.
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jar Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yes it reads exactly like myth.
But wait, there's more. The Bible has two mutually exclusive flood myths all mushed up together. The Bible has two creation myths and they two contradict each other in the order of creation, the method of creation and in the descriptions of the god character. In fact all of Genesis and Exodus read just like myths and folk tales.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 324 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
It reads like real history. So does this chronology of part of the history of Tolkien's Middle Earth: Timeline of Arda | The One Wiki to Rule Them All | Fandom He was a superb story teller though - not many authors invent a coherent language with its own alphabet to underpin their work. You will find his work, however, in the fantasy section and not the history section. Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Hint: myths talk about what the gods are thinking; history doesn't.
Does this read like a myth? I don't think so. It reads like real history.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2580 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
TRUE Dredge..... Genesis is exact and reads as history because it is history, and that contradicts the atheists and evolutionists and makes them mad at the worldwide flood and its proofs and exactness. So they fight it tooth and nail, and demand that their creationist opposition stops. So they attempt to shut them up, one way or another.
SEE and study the TRUE HISTORY OF THE FLOOD thread..... its my thread suggestion and my proofs, but it just straight from Genesis and anyone can prove it for themselves..... There are no contradictions, in the geological amazing record. No missing links or misssing gaps, its all chronological and exact I am not allowed to give my hyperlinks but anyone can find out the history for themselves if they search and are honest. . . Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
TRUE Dredge..... Genesis is exact and reads as history because it is history, and that contradicts the atheists and evolutionists and makes them mad at the worldwide flood and its proofs and exactness. So they fight it tooth and nail, and demand that their creationist opposition stops. So they attempt to shut them up, one way or another. SEE and study the TRUE HISTORY OF THE FLOOD thread..... its my thread suggestion and my proofs, but it just straight from Genesis and anyone can prove it for themselves..... There are no contradictions, in the geological amazing record. No missing links or misssing gaps, its all chronological and exact The flood at your "exact" date has been disproved. I posted the evidence a dozen times, but so far you have refused to acknowledge those posts or respond in any meaningful way. You have no evidence, you lose.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2580 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
See TRUE HISTORY OF THE WORLDWIDE FLOOD... I have proven it and its exactness many times, if you dont like it so be it. Your problem. The dating has been solved and is EXACT. Deal with it.
And as you already know, I am not allowed to oppose your fantasities in science there, and so just hang out in the COFFEE SHOP and am teaching biblical and prophecy truths NOW. The SCIENCE field is totally without opposition, as thats the only way evolutionists are used to operating and enforcing their luck and chance doctrine and theory. Gensis 1 and 2 are not allegorical but literal... and the 24 hour day is justified rather than eons between the plant life creation and the sun creation by the Lord of all Creations... sometimes called the Lord of Lords and King of Kings.... also called JESUS. Ha, I can supposedly write his NAME here becauyse this is the BIBLE sub-board, so I think I can get away with it. We shall see, oh how the evolutionsts/atheists complain...... even about the Bible. Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
See TRUE HISTORY OF THE WORLDWIDE FLOOD... I have proven it and its exactness many times, if you dont like it so be it. Your problem. The dating has been solved and is EXACT. Deal with it. Your date may be "exact" but there was no flood at that "exact" time. You read old tribal myths, I read the real-world evidence from the soils--and both my own research and that of archaeologists and geologists around the world say there was no such flood. Deal with it.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2580 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
You must be a protected species ?
Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 500 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
quote: There is no contradiction whatsoever in these two chapters of Genesis. Not one has been demonstrated. Edited by Christian7, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.6 |
There is no contradiction whatsoever in these two chapters of Genesis. Not one has been demonstrated. But that is what lpetrich did in his post from the way, way, way back machine. He pointed out lots of contradictions in the two differing stories. He handed the myths in your perfect bible the telltale stain of human composition in its opening chapters. Your bible is a faulty human construct.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Phat Member Posts: 18637 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
vimesey writes: The Bible is not in the fantasy section, however. If anything, the Bible accurately describes human nature (and psychology) as well as any modern theory. He(Tolkien) was a superb storyteller though - not many authors invent a coherent language with its own alphabet to underpin their work. You will find his work, however, in the fantasy section and not the history section. But I won't try and define where the Bible *should* fit in any bookstore. You and I will take from it what we want."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18637 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
AZPaul3 writes: Humans themselves are faulty constructs. Otherwise, global warming and failure to address it never would have happened.(The failure to address it part, anyway) I suppose that some wag somewhere will attempt to blame God for global warming. It is easy to point the finger away from ourselves. Your bible is a faulty human construct. Edited by Phat, : spelling"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.6
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If anything, the Bible accurately describes human nature (and psychology) as well as any modern theory. Your bible wouldn't know women's nature and psychology if it got kick in its ham-fisted misogynistic patriarchal balls. Same for slave relationships. And there are a lot more disconnects. Your bible's psychological constructs and morals are stoneage archaic, brutal, inhumane and are rejected in modern theory. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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