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Author Topic:   Contradictions: Hint that Genesis 1 and 2 are Allegorical
AZPaul3
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Message 106 of 112 (888523)
09-19-2021 4:26 PM
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09-19-2021 2:24 PM


Re: No contradictions
But I won't try and define where the Bible *should* fit in any bookstore.

It should go in that big green bin out back.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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ringo
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Message 107 of 112 (888540)
09-20-2021 12:36 PM
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09-19-2021 2:24 PM


Re: No contradictions
Phat writes:

The Bible is not in the fantasy section, however.


Really?

Remember the good ole Dewey Decimal System?

Bible 221-229
Classical (Greek & Roman) religion 292
Germanic religion 293
Religions of Indic origin 294
Zoroastrianism (Mazdaism, Parseeism) 295
Judaism 296
Islam, Babism, Bahai Faith 297
New Age religions and other 299

Or maybe you prefer the Library of Congress classification system:

BL - Religions. Mythology. Rationalism
BM - Judaism
BP - Islam. Baháʼísm. Theosophy, etc.
BQ - Buddhism
BS - Bible

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 108 of 112 (888541)
09-20-2021 12:37 PM
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09-19-2021 2:33 PM


Re: Contradictions and Human Constructions
Phat writes:

I suppose that some wag somewhere will attempt to blame God for global warming.


Who created fire?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 109 of 112 (888557)
09-20-2021 6:20 PM
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09-20-2021 12:37 PM


Re: Contradictions and Human Constructions
Fire was never a problem for anything until humans evolved enough to abuse it and make gunpowder, etc. If you birthed a kid who turned out destructive despite your best efforts of parenting, should we blame you?

And don't give me that old canard that God by definition should be responsible for fixing everything that inconveniences or hurts humans.

Humans manage to hurt/kill themselves. And it is we who have managed to accelerate global warming into a possible genocidal event.

God may or may not exist but there will again come a time when many people will pray that He does. Watch us botch our financial system next. It's already happening.

AddbyEdit: The "Dusty Old Book" mentions that there will come a time when people cannot buy nor sell without the mark. It is beginning to look like this will play out in some form. Perhaps we need to dust off that book and reread it.

Edited by Phat, : added comment


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 110 of 112 (888558)
09-20-2021 6:40 PM
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09-20-2021 6:20 PM


Re: Contradictions and Human Constructions
You really need to learn to read Phat. It's pitiful how little reading comprehension it seems you can muster.
Phat writes:

The "Dusty Old Book" mentions that there will come a time when people cannot buy nor sell without the mark. It is beginning to look like this will play out in some form. Perhaps we need to dust off that book and reread it.

Please provide even one conceivable way that nonsense could come to pass?


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AZPaul3
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Message 111 of 112 (888563)
09-20-2021 7:42 PM
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09-20-2021 6:20 PM


Re: Contradictions and Human Constructions
If you birthed a kid who turned out destructive despite your best efforts of parenting, should we blame you?

If you are an all powerful all knowing all everything god and your kid is the entire universe then yeah you're to blame.

And frankly if this is his best efforts of parenting then Cruelty, Pain and Evil for Dummies was his parental guide.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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ringo
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Message 112 of 112 (888570)
09-21-2021 11:57 AM
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09-20-2021 6:20 PM


Re: Contradictions and Human Constructions
Phat writes:

Fire was never a problem for anything until humans evolved enough to abuse it and make gunpowder, etc.


Who created humans?

Phat writes:

If you birthed a kid who turned out destructive despite your best efforts of parenting, should we blame you?


You're fond of the catch-phrase, "creator of all things seen and unseen" - but you clearly don't believe it. You're constantly adding to the list of things your god didn't create.

The answer is still the same: If you create an attractive nuisance, yes, yes, yes, you ARE responsible for the harm done by it. Whether it's a tiger trap or fire, yes, yes, yes, the creator is responsible. The answer will always be the same, so you can stop asking the question. Yes, yes, yes, the creator is responsible.

Phat writes:

And don't give me that old canard that God by definition should be responsible for fixing everything that inconveniences or hurts humans.


Not "should be". Is. It's not a canard. It's an obvious truth. If you think it's a canard, SHOW how it is.

Phat writes:

God may or may not exist but there will again come a time when many people will pray that He does.


That time has already come, many times. People have been praying to gods for help ever since the first shaman made up the idea of gods. Sometimes people even convince themselves that the gods have answered their prayers.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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