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jaywill
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Message 119 of 306 (584803)
10-04-2010 9:03 AM


I think that Jesus's warnings about the rapture implied a round planet.

"I tell you, In that night there will be two on one bed; the one will be taken and the other will be left.

There will be two women grinding together; the one will be taken buit the other will be left.

Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other will be left. " (Luke 17:34-37)

Since Christ cautioned that some people will be doing day time activities, ie. working in the field, and others nighttime activites, ie. sleeping on a bed, it follows His coming will be at day for some and at night for others.

That implies a round planet.

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Message 128 of 306 (585027)
10-05-2010 6:43 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by jar
09-24-2010 10:57 AM


Re: Bigger Picture
The Bible is a great example. Look at the Bible stories of the Origin of the Moabites and Ammonites. In the Hebrew tales they are the children of an incestuous relationship between Lot and his daughters and so bad guys. Each of the religions have side stories that account for the existence of other people, usually a story that explains why they are friend or foe. And of course, each of the different religions have mutually exclusive stories.

The Hebrew canon have one entire book about and named after a Moabitess (the bad people)? That is the book of Ruth.

I take that as evidence of the divine inspiration of the Bible. Something else is going on there besides self grandizing national religious propoganda.

The story of how the Messiah came is there. Ruth was the grandmother of David, whose descendent would be the Son of God.

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Message 129 of 306 (585029)
10-05-2010 6:52 AM


The Recovery Version often translates the a word as "in inhabited eart" rather than just "the earth".

For example, concerning the second coming of Christ - "And when He brings again His Son into the inhabited earth, He says, and let all the angels of God worship Him" (Heb 1:6)

The impact to me is the earth where humans live. That is the point rather than whether a globe or a flat plane is implied. The main concern seems to be living people. His operations are firstly involving people.


  
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Message 130 of 306 (585033)
10-05-2010 7:13 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by ICANT
09-23-2010 4:11 AM


Re: "Whole Earth"
That was pretty good ICANT. I borrowed it without your permission and posted it on another forum.

I think doctrbill has to get the Internet Foot in the Mouth Award of the month.

It also kind of confirms my suspicion that when God chose for Himself a ethnic group of people He chose one of the most heady and intellectual ones around. - (and stubburn).

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Message 131 of 306 (585034)
10-05-2010 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Nij
09-25-2010 4:37 AM


Re: Special knowledge gained from religious texts
The point doctorbill made was that Genesis, amongst most religious stories, is not intended to impart knowledge about the real world; it is intended to supply spiritual advice and to explain events in a supernatural, often metaphorical manner. Attempting to use it for the former purpose is pointless, because it doesn't contain anything remotely suitable. Your counterargument was wrong -- "since Jews made useful discoveries, their holy writings must be useful for finding advanced knowledge" -- a post hoc fallacy because it is simply not the case that one followed from the other.

Firstly, I don't believe that man should look to Genesis for a exhaustive scientific explanation of how the cosmos run. If that were the purpose of the writing of the Bible then perhaps we would have had 66 books just to discribe what water is.

I am not trying to argue for ICANT here. And I don't agree with ICANT on some of the things he insists.

And, admittedly, I have not read all of the discussion, but parts of it here.

But you seem not to show a similar concern for the prejudice displayed by doctrbill. You pounce on ICANT because his association of Jews with great science. But you didn't pounce on doctrbill with his association of no science achievements from "God's chosen people."

I don't think your critique was even handed. At worst ICANT just over adjusted the prejudice displayed by doctrbill.

As for the wonderful Age of Enlightenment, it has also been argued that it was the FREEING of the Bible from its Catholic prison, in which only the priestly class could read it, and its liberation into the hands of the masses, that helped to bring in such an atmosphere of free thinking and enlightenment.

In other words, Mr Skeptic, Enlightenment was not when the Bible was LOCKED UP from the greater population but when it was liberated to be READ by the masses.

I know correlation does not necessarily means causation. But it has been argued that freeing of God's word brought in clearer thinking, exploration, reformation, and scientific enlightenment.

The late Christian philosopher Francis Schaeffer I believe argued this way.

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