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nator
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Message 25 of 67 (62552)
10-24-2003 8:45 AM


Buz, I have a question regarding how it is that you think about Biblical prophecy.
Do you look at the prophecies individually, figure out if they have come true or not, and then base your belief upon those conclusions?
Or, do you have faith that the Bible must be the inerrant word of God first, before looking at any of the prophecies, therefore making it impossible for you to ever consider that some of them might be so vague as to be meaningless, or that some might even be false or wrong? Wouldn't this just make it very likely that you will be tempted to interpret each prophecy in such a way as to support what you already believe?
If, as I suspect, the second scenario is the case with you, then why bother having this discussion?
You probably don't use the prophecies as reasons to believe; you do it the other way around.

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nator
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Message 26 of 67 (62553)
10-24-2003 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Buzsaw
10-24-2003 2:19 AM


So, buz, what is this evidence of the supernatural?

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nator
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Message 47 of 67 (62861)
10-26-2003 1:14 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Buzsaw
10-24-2003 11:19 PM


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Well, I see you've already made up your mind as to the answer to your questions. So why did you put it in the form of a question anyhow? Do you want me to answer or are you going to stick with the answers you seem to have already convinced yourself of?
Sure, I want you to answer.
All I can do is mirror back to you the impression of yourself that you provide to me through your posts.
So far, it seems to me that you believe the Bible first, then interpret away any difficulties in the prophecies.
It does not seem to me that you took a look at the prophecies, did a bunch of research looking for both supportive evidence and evidence which would falsify the prophecy, then decided that the Bible must be true because the prophecies all survived this inquiry.
Certainly you have said that the reason you have the faith you do is because of the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible, but have you really looked for disconfirming evidence? One can never be sure that one's own bias of wanting certain things to be true isn't interfering with a rational investigation of the facts. Therefore, actively looking for evidence that refutes what one wishes were true is a good thing to do when trying to find the truth about something.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 48 of 67 (62862)
10-26-2003 1:19 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Buzsaw
10-24-2003 11:28 PM


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Get yourself a pencil and paper and write down all the items I've itemized in this thread as to fulfillment and there, you have the supernatural. I've already explained as to how these are unusual and unique as required by true prophecy. I've not going to itemize them again for you personally. Your mind seems to be biasly set, so why waste my time?
Sorry, you weren't convincing, considering you had no substantive responses to any of the rebuttals to your claims thus far.
I was hoping for something a bit more concrete and a LOT less vague.

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nator
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Message 49 of 67 (62863)
10-26-2003 1:28 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Quiz
10-25-2003 11:54 PM


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I even agree with a form of evolution, not micro-evolution only macro-evolution. I believe what is behind macro-evolution is God, I dont believe he created things from nothing eather I believe he created things as we do.
So, what other scientifically supported concepts other than modern Biology and Genetics do you choose to discard based upon your religion?

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 54 of 67 (62875)
10-26-2003 6:23 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Quiz
10-26-2003 2:43 AM


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I disagree with evolution resulting from a succession of relatively small genetic variations that often cause the formation of new subspecies
...based upon what scientific evidence do you believe this?

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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 55 of 67 (62876)
10-26-2003 6:25 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Quiz
10-26-2003 4:58 AM


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This looks like micro-evolution. This is possible; it is small geneitic alterations. I got them mixed up by accident. let me restate that answer. "I dont agree with evolution which "matter comes from non living-matter" I also dont agree with MACRO evolution. Thats what I ment. Sorry.
Quiz, I will answer your post in a new topic which I will start in the "Evolution" forum.
Please come see it there!

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