Jesus's Prophecy Of His Gospel

The Bible is still being spread throughout the world buz. But for the Athiest out there according to your interpertation or for your interpertation the world at the time the Apostles where on the earth was ONLY ROME so there for it reached the entire known world. If you want to take it further the end also came in a way because the christian religon took over rome, pagan was expelled,etc You can take it even further by remembering the prophecies about the stars falling from the sky, etc, this could be metaphore and be speaking about the gods of the pagan religon, in anycase the stars sure fell when the christian religon or formally known as catholic took over.-Quiz[This message has been edited by Quiz, 10-23-2003]

I disagree. There is a prophecy from the LDS church by I think J-smith which says that the book of mormon will flood the world. That is the same as saying it is going to be a world religon.

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You schoolastically saturated scholars of secularistic stuff need to be deprogrammed and apprised of the reality of the supernatural.

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Ok Buzsaw this is something you need to think about. "The supernatural" You make it sound like they are ghosts or people flying around with wings that are white, the idea of a ferry-tale. This is definitaly not going to get people to see your side. You make it sound fake and like a disney tale. If you want people to see your side, You have to make it seem real. Dare someone to go and blow there head off, see if they get a picture of death, make them see that death can't just be nothingness where you no longer exists but in the minds of those who love you.(this is a metaphore of course I dont want anyone going and doing this, but really, they have to feel the realness in it just like they feel the realnes in science or in not careing, etc-Quiz[This message has been edited by Quiz, 10-24-2003]

Ok Buzsaw,

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Uh huh. Yah, it sure is, isn't it? In fact, I have friends/Christian brother and wife who are presently translating the Bible into Indonesian dialects. It's not completed completely complete, but completedly becoming complete. Thanks to computers and other modern communication technology, the prophecy's fulfillment is on the fast track to complete fulfillment

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I meet people all the time that were athiest all there lifes and they just found new faith in the bible. That tells me people are still converting.

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Quiz, are you trolling for Biblical adversaries, or what? You showed up on the forum with your post #1 at the onset of my last Jerusalem thread. Statements like the above make me wonder why you just happened to emerge in these debates at such a time?????

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I repeat, the prophecy states that the gospel will be preached to the ENTIRE INHABITED WORLD for fulfillment

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I am glad you pointed that out. I agree that this prophecy(entire world knowing about christ) has not been fulfilled as of yet; if that is what you are saying, Why post about a prophecy that is not fulfilled yet? As this is nothing ironic!-Quiz

Talking about prophecies is not going to convert someone to being one with the Lord buzsaw. This if anything would draw them away because alot of critics out there have alot to say about the bible and are not willing to accept anything anyone says because of all the problems people advertise about the bible.( I dont agree with or support most of these but there are alot of them out there and alot of them are porely searched out and compared) I would say 90% of them are false, then you have the people who nag at those who dont want to here preaching; making them even more annoyed and you also have those people saying you have SINNED you are going to hell when no body is going to hell only those who are truely evil, Sons of perdition.-Quiz[This message has been edited by Quiz, 10-24-2003]

To many languages we have not completly understood as of yet. (go to africa)-Quiz

The problem is I believe God wants you to have faith so you wont find prophecies which you are looking for that I know of. Once you have faith in GOD he shows you things which show you that God does exists.no faith no way you will ever really know he is there, you can debate all day long with no faith, you wont find anything.-Quiz

The problem is I believe God wants you to have faith so you wont find prophecies which you are looking for that I know of. Once you have faith in GOD he shows you things which show you that God does exists.No faith no way you will ever really know he is there, you can debate all day long with no faith, you wont find anything.-Quiz

Hey Quiz
It is obvious that you shall never enter into proper debate since by your last post we can see that your mind is closed first curious second. Closed only untill somebody can say something which can open my mind. This would take a very strong person to do so as I have a firm ground without faith, as I didn't start with faith but with science and history. When I found that science was incorrect I moved unto history and started looking through the religons and then I found many which only one had good ground.
That is okay you are allowed your beliefs however there is no chance for saerching through both sides of the issue if can't hold your assumptions up to critique. If the critique has something to say that is worth my time I will talk, as you have seen I have written much and responded much. I would say the geneaology debate is at a close because of my information, as the information they had before was all assumptions

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This is false and contrary to scripture. To the fundie Bibicalist, faith is not blind, as you are implying by your statement. The Heavens Gate folks from wealthy town, Rancho Santa Fe, Ca, all intelligent ordinary people who took their own lives simultaneously had very deep/powerful faith that somehow they were to link up to the Haley Comet which came through a few years ago. What was their faith based on? What they heard. What did they hear? unsubstantiated opinion of one man, who did nothing supernatural or provide ample evidence that what they were going to do would effect the desired objective. They died in their faith in their youth prime of their lives sensless death.In Romans 10:17 we read, "So belief (faith) comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ." What were the words of Christ? That he was the son of God and he proved it by visible miracles, including the raising of the dead and spoken prophecy fulfilled as was predicted by the OT prophets centuries previous. Islamic suicide murderers, like the Heaven's Gaters, were inspired and taught by one man who performed no miracles, cited no fulfilled prophecies and who violated his own law in the religion of Islam. This is the fastest growing religion in the world today, including in the US where these devouts have crippled our economy, murdered thousands, destroyed the two towers of commerce of our nation and heavily damaged our Pentagon. Yet there is more support in this forum and elswhere in academia in America for this Mideastern religion than there is for Biblical Christianity from which our freedom heritage and blessings came. The Bible is being undermined, hated and attacked in America since the hippy sixties. You are missing my point as I am speaking to the athiest, an athiest opens the bible and finds the word generation he then moves to the conclusion that it is wrong because the word generation in all forms of english means 30-50 years for example, so he says ok this is wrong and closes the biblica. If he had any faith at all he would say hmmmm let me see what I can find to show that this is not just one generation or that this is not talking about their generation. I dont want to open this topic but this is my example

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It would be a good idea not to generalise so much. Some athiests have studied with world famous Christian authors at some of the world's leading universities and have a very good understanding of the Bible, and sometimes it is this good understanding of the Bible that reinforces their atheism.Also, it doesn't take faith to dig deeper into the meaning of certain words, it only takes an enquiring mind.Brian. I understand your point there it makes alot of since I agree because at one time I found error in the bible but soon I found things by faith which help correct my understanding which removed the error. I would not say that any scholler has any good knowledge of the bible based of just that fact (because some schollers are not believers causing them to bring out the false understanding)because as I have stated it is biblical that the apostasy happend and is still happening today. (Because of translation and error in translation it caused or helped the falling away.)

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Like it or not, you have but one credible means of demonstrating that your understanding of any given biblical passage is correct. For you, along with everyone else, that credible means is the critical examination of biblical linguistics, culture and history.You may, if you wish, claim that you were led to the correct understanding by faith. However, if you wish to make a credible demonstration to others that your understanding is correct, faith cannot be used as supporting argument.Amlodhi I just want to say for the record I was athiest at one point in my life and I had no faith, history led me to christ before mormonism it was catholic and before that it was baptist and then luthern I have been through the ropes and seen the other faiths, they are all wrong. Also know that I went through science first. I still believe science has a good foundation as it is the physical understanding of how things happen and work and I give it that much. I even agree with a form of evolution, not micro-evolution only macro-evolution. I believe what is behind macro-evolution is God, I dont believe he created things from nothing eather I believe he created things as we do.

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P.S. I wont use my faith anylonger but from now on I will bring scriptural proof and debate this way. Thanks for your patiants.

Oh no, Quiz... don't start denoting quotes with color like Joralex Quote blocks are designed for quotes. It makes it confusing when different people choose their own methods to do quotes.

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I know I know I know I know... heh, Just LIKE the way he does it..
j/k. I dunno I am just trying different things out.

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So, what other scientifically supported concepts other than modern Biology and Genetics do you choose to discard based upon your religion? I disagree with evolution resulting from a succession of relatively small genetic variations that often cause the formation of new subspecies

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This looks like micro-evolution. This is possible; it is small geneitic alterations. I got them mixed up by accident. let me restate that answer. "I dont agree with evolution which "matter comes from non living-matter" I also dont agree with MACRO evolution. Thats what I ment. Sorry.-Quiz