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Author Topic:   What if Jesus and Satan were real?
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Message 99 of 591 (84744)
02-09-2004 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
01-24-2004 11:59 PM

"The fact of Jesus and Satan is not a fact. It is a Belief. Now...what if this belief were real?
1) People known as Christians would be made out to look as ignorant and stupid as possible. Much of it would be their own fault, for they would try and live as believers and as worldly people at the same time.
2) Other religions would appear tranquil and quiet. Satan would have no need to mess with them...."

I've got a couple to add:

9) Christians could actually talk to Jesus and know the correct way to interpret the Bible instead of just guessing and arguinging amoungst themselves.

And the #1 thing:

There would not be all be all these little denominations - there would be one true church , since God/Jesus would be real and would communicate with them his purposes and laws and how to correctly interpret the Bible.

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Message 102 of 591 (84910)
02-10-2004 1:49 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by Angeldust
02-09-2004 8:21 PM

Yes, I understand that from a certain point, as long as one believes in Jesus Christ they are part of the "church" and saved. (Assuming that Christianity is correct in this matter).

First off, I want to say that these are just my observations, and biased opinions. I'm sure there are many different ways to look at the fact that Christians disagree with each other about parts of the Bible.

However, the point I was making is that it is very curious why there are so many different interpretations of the Bible , each from a denomination claiming that their interpretation is from God and correct.

What I find interesting is when Christians debate other Christians of a slightly different faith about the different characteristics and rules of God. I feel like - 'ARG, Just all sit together and pray and ask God Himself for the answer!' If one were able to communicate
with him in a more accurate manner than we shouldn't see this, no?

In the Old Testament, God would taunt other god's and challenge them to test's. When the false god would not respond, God's people would jeer and say "perhaps he is sleeping!". It is too bad we can't try the same thing against the Biblical God. I guess it "wouldn't be fair" for some reason.

Yes, many agree on the "main" or "important parts" to some degree, but the fact that disagreements exist on what God wants or means (in which case someone is wrong) makes it possible that the core beliefs in Christianity could also be wrong (or untrue).

e.g. That Jesus came to die for our sins, etc.

From an "outsider's" perspective, a bunch of people all claiming to have a relationship with the same God, yet disagreeing on what they think God likes or does just looks like a bunch of people coming up with their own ideas and convincing themselves it is from a higher source. Thus, there is no evidence that a single God is giving anyone answers.

Now if people from all over were communicated something specific from God, without even reading or knowing about the Bible - THAT would be powerful proof that God (and Jesus) were real. Maybe it's just a dream of mine that will never come true.

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Member (Idle past 606 days)
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Message 103 of 591 (84911)
02-10-2004 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Phat
02-09-2004 4:31 PM

Re: Bravo! I like your response!
A sarcastic response to my sarcastic post. I guess I deserve it!

"It even includes people from other religions who have found a place for Jesus in their heart!"

Technically, did Jesus ever ask people to have him in their heart, or is this just a metaphor for "believing what Jesus did for me"? I believe a lot of what Jesus (and the Buddha, etc..) taught. A lot of it makes sense to me and is similar to my outlook on life.

I do not believe in Hell, (or that Jesus' purpose for coming was to save us from Hell) however, so I'm technically not a Christian. I believe he came to show them a better way. Using their own religion he tried to do away with the outward appearence of things and teach them that what really mattered was what was inside. Their thoughts, feelings. If they followed these simple rules they would have peace and have the kingdom of God in them. Then after he died it all was twisted and he eventually became a "God", killed for the sins of all. Again, just my observations. I could be wrong, I could be right.

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