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Yaro Member (Idle past 6522 days)  Posts: 1797 Joined: |
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6522 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
Yeah, well Yaro shouldn't have been arguing about something he didn't believe in the first place. That would be like me saying, "For a nothing who doesn't exist, it sure put a lot of wonderful things in the world." It was a pointless statement, and a pointless argument. No it wasn't, I was never arguing for the existance of nothing. Just the non existance of the christain god. Of cource I belive in someting, the universe, trees, flowers, air, etc. Heck, It would be dumb to belive in nothing 
I don't believe a nothing exists, therefore I don't believe it put wonderful things in the world. He doesn't believe a God exists, therefore he doesn't believe it put evil into the world. That's why I had to attack his statement. I was simply pointing out, as the beginning of this thread asked us to presuppose, that "what if god existed?". Following that train of thought logicaly, God must have made evil. hence my statement:
Ya know, for a god who hates evil so much, he sure made alot of it. So if God exists, he made evil. He hates evil, why did he make it? Not to start arguing in circles... can you disprove athisim? Let me ask you roboto85, What if god dosn't exist? What would that mean to you about good and evil?
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6522 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6522 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
To which I say that the serpent, aka El Diablo created evil by his very first act of disobedience which was claiming to be equal with God. This willful rebellion is itself evil personified. This same tendency toward self exaltation and independant thought is the impartation that humanity received through the first action of human disobedience, when Eve ate the fruit. The way out of this dilemma was solved when Jesus took all evil upon Himself and died with it, overcoming the death sentence which the personified evil had with it, and raising from the dead. Basically, from a human standpoint, we are in a transistion process. Unlike Adam, we all now collectively know about the knowledge of good and evil. Also, however, because of Jesus, we are not subject to the death sentence imposed by God for following after the serpent( who personified evil) IF we now choose to follow after Jesus(who personified eternal life.) Its not about being little mindless robots. Its about wanting to accept God into our hearts and allow Him to guide us, rather than continuing our prior imparted tendency to raise up and act like little wannabe gods ourselves. You get all this from the bible? I can't recall a verse that says half these things.  I mean, it seems you have a very concreate philosophy about this, but I for the life of me can find a verse where it says the serpent in the garden was the devil, or describing the story of satan for that matter. In any case, you state that god created satan who in tern created evil. By this logic, if I shot you, and the cops came over and accused me of murder, could I not simply argue: "Officer, I just fired the gun, it was the bullet that killd him." Good luck with your operation BTW. I hope it's nothing serious.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6522 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
God created oposits!
The very concept of an Oposit to god is ludacris (like the rapper )
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6522 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
Im not so sure about these oposits. It seems to me that we are having trouble pinning down what an oposit is. I mean we are dealing with a situation that is not black and white, and with subjective subject matter.
After all, one mans good is another mans bad, and vice versa. How are we supposed to quantify, what are obviously intangable human constructs, good and evil at any scale to be able to messure their intensity? As you said, Chocolate is the oposit of vanilla, but some people like vanila better. Others feel that vanilla is the compliment of chocolate, like my g/f  Thats because these are subjective issues. So how can we say that god is good, and that satan is his oposit? First off we know little about satan, and secondly, we have no way to quantify either parties amount of good vs. evil. Aside from this, I would like to adress a point concerning the curent ideas about Satan being necessitated by god to be his oposit. The logic goes, that since god is all good, there must be something all bad. Up vs. down, black vs. white, yadda yadda yadda All I can say is that this makes no sense as at some point evil(satan?) didnt exist. Meaning that god existed without oposit, a moral Mobius strip if you will So satan is not a necessity for gods goodness, and evil is obviously again, a product manufactured by YHWE.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6522 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
hehheh...
Im a horrible speller in case you havent noticed I try to run spell check when I can, but sometimes I forget. English is actually my second language, my first was spanish. Adios!
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