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I've heard that he was referred to as lucifer. Satan was a later name. Same being. Same as serpent. Breaking it up is stupid.

I believe lucifer is the name for him referring to him being a guardian cherubim. Satan being his name when he became Evil. Serpent being a metaphor referring to lucifer/satan in a pass tense context realizing in that context he is deceptive.Edited by Blue, : Err

First freedom always reigns supreme even if there is a law. You choose to follow the law or not follow it. Hence choice. Hence freedom. Duh. Nobody can control your thoughts or your actions. I believe this freedom is a gift in my being from God. I can choose to eat a McDonald's burger or I can choose to eat a organic salad. Choice. Freedom. In choice the serpent, satan, lucifer, the devil, chose to eat the McDonald's burger........Edited by Blue, : Err

Wrong. I believe this is a story that took place. Actual history, using metaphores. It is a Hebrew story depicting the fall of satan or lucifer if you want to be technically correct. Ezekiel 28 12-18. Isaiah 14:12-15. There is also a scripture in revelations about the dragon. Don't feel like looking it up. Remember God is telling the story, not man. It matters not what view different cultures have had. Satan is lucifer, the serpent, the dragon, etc.FYI: whatever your view is of scripture it does not change the God or the devil. We all have different interpretations of the same beings.Edited by Blue, : AddEdited by Blue, : ErrEdited by Blue, : Add

Perfection is the ability to choose to abide by God's laws. Perfection is and only should be based on the creator's idea of what is perfect. For fucks sake God is God... Edited by Blue, : Err

It is a trick to an idiot. Explain this trick. Evil has always been evil. The ancients were well aware of it. And further just because God didn't reveal the universe to them does not mean he is tricking them.Edited by Blue, : Err

You are presuming they believed the serpent was a snake vs it being a metaphor of evil, of lucifer. Further this story is being told centuries after it took place so we don't KNOW what the Hebrews thought. God is telling the story and in tradition Moses is writing it down. Please don't argue the multiple author crap argument. It's trash. Further non of what I'm saying changes that the Jews are God's chosen people.Edited by Blue, : Add

In Job 1, Satan is on earth. This is clearly after judgement in Gen 3 and in Ezekiel 28 13-15, and Isaiah 14:12-14. What we see here is God having Satan (the evil one and an ACTUAL BEING) do God's bidding. This does not show Satan as an angel of HEAVEN (or just an internal adversary). Further we are reading Jewish scripture thus the Jews were aware of Satan as their adversary (A ACTUAL BEING). The link you provided is not an actual respected link, it is a .com so it is just an opinion. No matter which way you swing that link, it is just an opinion. If I read Jewish scripture I see an adversary by the name of Satan. I am directly interpreting Jewish scripture. This is not a Christian vantage per say because the name of SATAN (as a being i.e. son of god)) is used in Jewish scripture. Further it is CLEAR if you read all of Jewish scripture, SATAN (an actual being) is the adversary (external adversary) of the JEWS. Do Jewish people believe in an internal adversary perhaps but to argue that they merely believe in an internal adversary is ignoring the facts. The above Jewish scripture DOES NOT depict SATAN as a HEAVENLY Angel. It does depict SATAN as a son of God on earth. This fits everything I am saying. Further in VS 8 God is asking Satan if he knows about the man who does not FEAR evil. Clearly Satan is referenced as being evil here.Edited by Blue, : errEdited by Blue, : errEdited by Blue, : errEdited by Blue, : AddEdited by Blue, : AddEdited by Blue, : Add

I am wasting my time here. You don't come across as somebody who is faithful. I am almost certain you're a pawn.

In pantheism nature is intelligent. In atheism nature is random. In both cases God is nature. God doesn't have to be intelligent. It is a matter of belief. I'm more of a pantheist.

I do think your comment is interesting regarding atheists not believing. Science does not merely support atheism. Science says nothing about if God exists. Theists and atheists draw from science equally. If you don't agree you have a closed mind and thus DO believe. You even believe as far as to think morality is ultimately decided by man. You do believe in nature.

Moses wrote the book of the law/torah. Ref deuteronomy 31:24 - 26. Whatever your response is, it is pre refuted. Fyi: I will respond later to post 356 as that is wrong.Edited by Blue, : EditEdited by Blue, : Add

It is all a matter of what is evil to God. Slavery in the Bible is worse in the usage of the word "slavery" than it is in reality. Most of the time slaves had a debt to be repaid just like in America. Plus there debt was fully repaid after 6 years, and slaves were set completely free, unlike in America. Most of the time slaves chose to remain slaves because they had more resources for their family, just like in America. If you think American citizens are not slaves you are nutz imo. You can compare slavery under Jewish law to American citizens and our laws. Slavery under Jewish law was nothing like it was for africans. I'm not going to explain it any further. Anyone interested and open minded can do their own research. I just want to point out you are using a terrible example to argue God does not exist as per the Bible.Edited by Blue, : AddEdited by Blue, : Add

This is just a argument, and it is not more grounded in fact. The facts, we know Moses wrote it down, and we know it was written down centuries after it WAS observed. The usage of a metaphor to explain what happened is a interpretation even if I agree with it being metaphorical. All we can do is interpret is fact. Also Modern day Jews are as lost as atheists in interpreting this story. However I would argue the serpent is a being since it is being judged. The usage of a serpent in this story is to reflect the character of the being (deceptive). Further ancient Jews even during all the prophets were well aware of the adversary as Satan vs it JUST being a internal adversary. Ref to prior posts, they have not been refuted. Arguments are not refutations and no better argument has been argued.Edited by Blue, : ErEdited by Blue, : AddEdited by Blue, : Add

It is a choice actually. You choose to die or live. Everything is a choice.